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  • #31
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    "why Android tablets don't sell very well"
    A hundred million granny boomers are reading your comments on their Kindles right now...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

      Android kicks some ass at the read-only root department. Fedora Silverblue is trying to do the same thing only replacing the Play store with Flatpak.
      You're confusing a package format and application store.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
        Well, it's very usable. I'll use OpenOffice or Kate in a VNC over 99% of all native Android document editors. Document editing on Android sucks. I never claimed it to be practical, but it is usable and does work well for my needs.
        You use Libreoffice or Kate in a VNC with a 5'' touchscreen and the onboard keyboard? That's a cool story.

        The problem with that is we really need one of those projects to partially merge with Android for their drivers, telephony stack, and application support.
        Which is basically the same situation of Linux Desktop vs Windows Desktop, and it's retarded imho. Yo dawg, let's use a different OS and add layers and crap to use another OS applications.

        Why not actually have some decent development behind LineageOS instead (that is Android)?
        Or something that leverages lower-level APIs of Android and builds on that?

        Freeing Android is easier, but that LineageOS is slowly dying while dozens of "let's fail hard on mobile" projects appear, and 99.99% of Android custom ROM development is someone hacking around and never updating his cooked ROM ever again.
        Last edited by starshipeleven; 01-14-2020, 12:00 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by andyprough View Post
          His custom crappy hack ... can be easily replicated.
          [citation needed]
          I've long since quit trying to do that on anything with Android as it's a major hassle requiring root access, and/or hacks to the ROM because newer Android does not allow stuff it needs.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

            Android kicks some ass at the read-only root department. Fedora Silverblue is trying to do the same thing only replacing the Play store with Flatpak.
            Praised be thy name.

            OpenSUSE is exploring the same concept by using btrfs in Kubic. But it's aimed at container servers, more than to an end-user distro.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Britoid View Post

              You're confusing a package format and application store.
              No, not here. The whole point of Silverblue is that the user gets any non-os provided package from Flatpak and those are then installed in a sandbox that doesn't effect the root file system because the root file system is read-only; just like Android. Silverblue is one of the more interesting projects out there if you're interested in geeky stuff like read-only root and file systems and partitions in general.

              The difference is that SB does atomic root updates and Android monolithic root updates. But outside of some technicalities like how things are done, Fedora Silverblue and Android are very similar in how they're maintained -- the read only root that's separate from userspace at a partition level that makes a clear distinction as to what is user-space and what is root/system-space.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by andre30correia View Post
                unity 7 was the best desktop out there, no one compares with it, stable and fast, and ofc simple to use, I put it in old ppl and they use it without problems. I miss the unity from 16.04, nobody else make such pro desktop in linux world, gnome with ubuntu is not bad but its not the same, kde is a mess of things, the others are not profissional or look like desktop from last century
                Deepin 20 is very stable for me (but it's a beta, so expect it to become even better), it looks like a very modern desktop (iOS- and Windows-inspired), everything is clear, it looks professional because Huawei is pushing development forward and the main designer Deepin 20 is also a well-known designer in China

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by andyprough View Post

                  A hundred million granny boomers are reading your comments on their Kindles right now...
                  FireOS =! Android

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                    Which is basically the same situation of Linux Desktop vs Windows Desktop, and it's retarded imho. Yo dawg, let's use a different OS and add layers and crap to use another OS applications.
                    That's not how you use the "Yo dawg" meme.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

                      No, not here. The whole point of Silverblue is that the user gets any non-os provided package from Flatpak and those are then installed in a sandbox that doesn't effect the root file system because the root file system is read-only; just like Android. Silverblue is one of the more interesting projects out there if you're interested in geeky stuff like read-only root and file systems and partitions in general.

                      The difference is that SB does atomic root updates and Android monolithic root updates. But outside of some technicalities like how things are done, Fedora Silverblue and Android are very similar in how they're maintained -- the read only root that's separate from userspace at a partition level that makes a clear distinction as to what is user-space and what is root/system-space.
                      You said Play Store vs Flatpak. A better analogy would of been Flatpak vs APK or Play Store vs Flathub.

                      Android and Silverblue actually achieve read-only root in very different ways, Silverblue does not use a separate partition read-only root (out the box /var and /usr will be on the same partition). /usr is marked as read-only because writing anything there would get lost when it's relinked.

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