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Unity 8 Desktop On Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Could Take A Year Before Being Usable

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  • #11
    Originally posted by padraic7a View Post
    I think the work done by the Ubports crew in pushing Ubuntu Touch forward has been really impressive.

    With the PinePhone we should see that work reach many more people, hopefully including some who might get involved in development.

    The Ubports messaging has also been really refreshing. Clear in their aims, clear about their limitations and welcoming to newcomers.
    Thanks you
    We are super exited about the PinePhone! It will be an awesome development platform

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    • #12
      Originally posted by lucrus View Post
      I wish ubports all the best, they have a real positive attitude and they deserve it. However I'm afraid they're beating a dead horse.
      Power of the community, our objective is not to make money, our objective is to create something for the community. Our success is not measured in popularity or monetary gain. We do this to create alternative to the community, no matter the size be 10 or 10 million.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by mariogrip View Post

        Power of the community, our objective is not to make money, our objective is to create something for the community. Our success is not measured in popularity or monetary gain. We do this to create alternative to the community, no matter the size be 10 or 10 million.
        I applaud you but you still get paid, right, I mean you still have to eat.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by cl333r View Post

          I applaud you but you still get paid, right, I mean you still have to eat.
          Well yeah, I do need that to survive What I mean we don't take decision based on maximize our monetary gain, sure we need money but money is not our motivation.

          For myself, If i would do this for the money, i would work somewhere else and earn much more.

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          • #15
            The truth of the matter is that Unity 7 has been the most performant, solid and glitch free desktop environment available to linux for a long time, perhaps since Ubuntu 14.04. Its real downfall has been the fact it's basically built on compiz, and compiz will never be rewired to be a wayland compositor. As a result, even tough there's an enthusiastic community still making sure it works well on newer ubuntu releases, there's little future for it.

            I appreciate what the ubports people are doing with Unity 8, but if we're real, linux on mobile is not, and will never be, a thing. As a computer desktop environment it could gain traction however, but every month that passes without an usable (let alone installable) version of it, the Unity 7 folk drift away to other DEs.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by royce View Post
              The truth of the matter is that Unity 7 has been the most performant, solid and glitch free desktop environment available to linux for a long time, perhaps since Ubuntu 14.04. Its real downfall has been the fact it's basically built on compiz, and compiz will never be rewired to be a wayland compositor. As a result, even tough there's an enthusiastic community still making sure it works well on newer ubuntu releases, there's little future for it.

              I appreciate what the ubports people are doing with Unity 8, but if we're real, linux on mobile is not, and will never be, a thing. As a computer desktop environment it could gain traction however, but every month that passes without an usable (let alone installable) version of it, the Unity 7 folk drift away to other DEs.
              Unity 7's approach of force loading libraries into applications in order to make them use Unity features was pretty dumb and wouldn't of survived to the sandboxed or GTK4 era.

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              • #17
                I don't think Unity 7 was mobile-first. I think they just attempted to make something user-friendly for desktop. That UI wouldn't be pleasant on mobile - there's no equivalent to the super key, and that's the primary way of hotkeying around in Unity! To support that, if you read about Ubuntu Touch or watch use videos you can see that the way users interact with it is wildly different from Unity 7.

                Canonical didn't make Unity for mobile ideas and convergence, they were trying to make a user interface that was usable but not a knock-off of OS X or Windows 7. Too many sales pitches for Linux are, "It's like Windows, but doesn't do as much of the things you want as Windows!" This was an attempt to make the Linux desktop a separate product that wasn't constantly compared to Windows. I think they botched the execution, but I respect the attempt.

                Originally posted by royce View Post
                The truth of the matter is that Unity 7 has been the most performant, solid and glitch free desktop environment available to linux for a long time, perhaps since Ubuntu 14.04.
                Unfortunately, no. Unity 7 hung and crashed for me in every Ubuntu release until 16.04. I liked the Unity UI - especially once the option to put the minimize/maximize/close buttons back on the top right side of a window was restored. So with each new Ubuntu release I would install it, use it for a few weeks, and then give up and reinstall some other Linux distribution that had a stable desktop.

                I would have been a Unity evangelist if not for that. The only time it was stable for me was 16.04, which was shortly before Canonical stopped working on it.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Michael_S View Post
                  I don't think Unity 7 was mobile-first.
                  It didn't start like that. It started because GNOME 3 was a dumpster fire (more than it is now, anyway) and GNOME 2 was not supported anymore. They wanted something they could control.

                  Then the time when "convergence" was trendy came and they tried to make it convergent with Unity 8.

                  Too many sales pitches for Linux are, "It's like Windows, but doesn't do as much of the things you want as Windows!" This was an attempt to make the Linux desktop a separate product that wasn't constantly compared to Windows.
                  Different GUIs won't change this simple fact and I still don't think Canonical people are this retarded.
                  Last edited by starshipeleven; 01-14-2020, 09:02 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by royce View Post
                    but if we're real, linux on mobile is not, and will never be, a thing
                    derp -- android -- billions of devices running a linux kernel -- derpy derp

                    "Oh, but android isn't real linux, it's not what I meant, you totally don't know linux or mobile, it's a specialized kernel, blah blah blah..."

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                    • #20
                      unity 7 was the best desktop out there, no one compares with it, stable and fast, and ofc simple to use, I put it in old ppl and they use it without problems. I miss the unity from 16.04, nobody else make such pro desktop in linux world, gnome with ubuntu is not bad but its not the same, kde is a mess of things, the others are not profissional or look like desktop from last century

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