Using headerbars for everything such as dialog windows seems kinda dumb.
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Originally posted by Baguy View PostBet alot of people will be flocking away from XFCE with these changes.
Originally posted by Britoid View PostUsing headerbars for everything such as dialog windows seems kinda dumb.
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Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
More like, a few noisy people don't like CSD... the vast majority neither know what CSD is, nor care.
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Originally posted by willbprog177 View PostI'm an old dude, who likes 'legacy', stuff I guess. I don't see the point of CSD. To me it seems like a waste of system resources. Instead of having a window manager that manages the decorations on each window, we now will have each client draw its own? So does this mean it's going to be like Windows, where some apps have the native decorations while every third-party app has some dorky-looking non-native totally different decorations? I'll crawl back under my X11 rock now
FYI i'm both a WM, Compositor, Application and toolkit author (X11 and Wayland), so I see the problem space from all the angles and am not just blinded by one view. I'm also old and crusty. My initial reaction to CSD was "ewwww". But I thought about it deeply and changed my mind. The problems with CSD are about abuse, not use. Abuse is already possible and has been "forever". Some decisions about how to do CSD are probably bad - but it'd be just as bad if WM's decided to move titlebars to the bottom of windows on dialogs too (for example) that break habits, expectations and flow.
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No one has mentioned what I see as the biggest problem with this decision, and that's Wayland. Specifically in the context of losing virtualization guest optimizations. Maybe Virtualbox and Vmware will figure out how to accelerate Wayland. But as it is now, X11 is about the only way to get acceptable performance from a VM. At least, when using it interactively as a GUI user.
That's really the only reason I use XFCE now. I get that X11 has problems and needs to go away. And that compositing is the future. But that also means that, for me personally, XFCE has lost its main advantage as a desktop environment. (I mean, there's not much about I really _don't_ like.)
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Originally posted by Bubbles_by_day View PostNo one has mentioned what I see as the biggest problem with this decision, and that's Wayland. Specifically in the context of losing virtualization guest optimizations. Maybe Virtualbox and Vmware will figure out how to accelerate Wayland. But as it is now, X11 is about the only way to get acceptable performance from a VM. At least, when using it interactively as a GUI user.
That's really the only reason I use XFCE now. I get that X11 has problems and needs to go away. And that compositing is the future. But that also means that, for me personally, XFCE has lost its main advantage as a desktop environment. (I mean, there's not much about I really _don't_ like.)
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