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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by k1e0x View Post



    You realize on the old versions of windows you can't search in the start bar.. right? Applications were grouped by Program > Manufacture Name > Application. So in some cases that was clear but in other cases it was very hard to find because you didn't know the company who created the software.

    If you are looking for a good Application Launcher try Spotlight. (Gnome's is similar)


    And I can go on.. Explorer is the only file manager that does not highlight a selection on right click. And it still does this today. Try for yourself. Click on blank space in explorer to un-select a file. Then right click the file. Every other file manager will select the file and give you the context menu for the file. Explorer does not, it give you the context for the folder.. and that is very confusing. as... you just clicked on the file?? If you want the context menu for the file you have to left click it.. then right click it again. Jes.. what a great OS.. the pinnacle of UI design..
    You do realize that search was built-in in Windows 7? So much shit in people's heads here.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
    Yeah right.. this is denial right here. I didn't say they are "hard" I said they are expensive, meaning they take time away from *any* user not just disabled ones. Your preferred interface uses a lot of fine movements, I'm sorry that just isn't optimal but that's the case. I think you need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.. perhaps the reason you like what you like is due to familiarity more than ease of use. That is ok.. but it is a different thing.
    They were neither hard nor expensive from 1981 to 2012 when Windows 8 was released. Suddenly when Windows 8 was released it all became hard. Wow. What an asinine observation we have here.

    Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
    Yes, but most of that old research has been thrown out for better models and subsequent research. As we learn new information we have to abandon old ideas. I agree with you on Web 3.0 tho..

    Any UI design will show the most valuable areas of the screen are the edges, because they are the easiest to hit. Windows 95 uses none of them well. The very easiest is the top, then the sides then the bottom.
    There was no UI/HIG research after Windows 95. Windows 8 was created as a Frankenstein OS meant to be usable both by desktop and mobile/touch users and it spectacularly failed at both because most touch-centric features were removed in Windows 10.

    I'm done arguing with you because you clearly understand shit in UI/HIG and you're talking straight from your arse.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by betam4x View Post

    You clearly do not understand what KDE5 is or what it does. Every single one of those things you mentioned can be accomplished by even a novice developer, provided there is not already an existing widget to do it. Maintaining a set of widgets is certainly easier than maintaining an entire desktop environment. KDE also does not 'shit all over' anything. It adheres to the standards set by freedesktop.org.

    EDIT: I'm going to add here that KDE 5 can be completely customized to fit practically any workflow. You can make it look like Windows, the MacOS, KDE3, GNOME, whatever your fetish is.
    Are you high??

    All these things can be accomplished by the user in KDE 3.5.

    So to use KDE 5 I have to learn C++, Qt, KDE and CMake? The fuck? Are you serious??

    Why all the likes for your asinine posts?

    How can I make taskbar fully transparent, you asshole? You said everything is possible in KDE5 and when I asked for specifics, you said go program it? Go fuck yourself.
    Last edited by birdie; 31 December 2019, 06:54 AM.

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by frank007 View Post
    I really tried every desktop.
    I also compiled and installed Mate v. 1.12 using the gtk2 this month. Great DE. But, how can a gtk3 applet lock entirely its panel until that applet finishes to do its things?
    Last edited by ; 31 December 2019, 11:43 AM.

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by schmalzler View Post
    No, it means issues with VSYNC.
    The tearing disappears when the gpu is under load.

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  • schmalzler
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    Originally posted by frank007 View Post
    When I scroll web pages (I don't use Firefox nor Chrome/ium) and see tearing I know that my not-so-powerful-but-recent gpu (and obviously the cpu) is working at low speed.
    No, it means issues with VSYNC. You could benefit from a compositor. Either Kwin5 (which requires plasma5) or compiz. Or (as I do) just use compton, IMO should work with kwin3.
    Your crashes and non-working apps show that trinity lacks manpower. A good maintainer would probably just ask for help with those applications "or I have to remove it in the next release". But it seems he wants to act as the saver of the better times...

    I never understood the need for this poorly maintained DE. plasma5 doesn't really need much memory, A blank desktop comes with a little more than 200MB here. No askonadi, no baloo. It idles at 0-1% CPU usage. Still I dropped it (my dad still uses it) as I didn't use much of the features and am happy with awesomewm now since quite some time. I switched over to console apps for most things I need, and that's not much...

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  • JPFSanders
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    Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
    You realize on the old versions of windows you can't search in the start bar.. right? Applications were grouped by Program > Manufacture Name > Application. So in some cases that was clear but in other cases it was very hard to find because you didn't know the company who created the software.

    If you are looking for a good Application Launcher try Spotlight. (Gnome's is similar)


    And I can go on.. Explorer is the only file manager that does not highlight a selection on right click. And it still does this today. Try for yourself. Click on blank space in explorer to un-select a file. Then right click the file. Every other file manager will select the file and give you the context menu for the file. Explorer does not, it give you the context for the folder.. and that is very confusing. as... you just clicked on the file?? If you want the context menu for the file you have to left click it.. then right click it again. Jes.. what a great OS.. the pinnacle of UI design..
    That you like more the interface/launcher of the desktop Windows 7 than the one in Windows XP or Gnome 2 or MacOS or AmigaOS 3.1 has nothing to do with what I was saying regarding the quality of engineering designs (not to be confused with not code quality)

    I do not mean you're wrong or anything with your appreciation, I too like Windows 7's GUI although I think the task bar lost functionality compared to the Windows XP one.

    When I said that GUI peaked in the Windows 2000 era, I was talking about the functionality+design of the GUI elements and associated libraries, by that point computer GUI's (using a keyboard and mouse) On screen gadgets (menus, buttons, combo-menus, text edit fields, frames, etc) had reached a level of ergonomic and engineering sophistication that has been on the decline since the advent of the touch screen idiocy.

    GUIs on the modern era resemble old VCR's in that each one was different from one another even the same manufacturer will not produce two that had the same knobs and buttons, and all where all over the place. You had to learn how to use a VCRs timer programming from scratch each time you changed your VCR. Each VCR was flashier and different than the last one, they used 15-20 buttons hid on a panel when all they needed was some software, 4 cursor keys and an OK/Cancel button.

    To find a more Modern analogy, modern GUIs resemble remote controllers, My TV controller has 46 buttons! of which you use barely 3-4 of them at any given time and it is not even a Smart TV, the menus are confusing and hard to navigate, that is modern GUI for you, change your TV and have to re-learn everything from Scratch.

    This is the similar approach to building GUIs lately and it all started with Windows 8 and the abomination that is MS Office's ribbon style button pannels.
    Last edited by JPFSanders; 31 December 2019, 05:50 AM.

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  • soulsource
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    Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
    You realize on the old versions of windows you can't search in the start bar.. right? Applications were grouped by Program > Manufacture Name > Application. So in some cases that was clear but in other cases it was very hard to find because you didn't know the company who created the software.
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    On old versions of Windows (meaning: between Windows 95 and 7) the Start Menu was a fully customizable folder structure. Many programs were by default installing their icons in a folder named after the developer/publisher, but you as a user could just move them wherever you like, and rename/create/delete folders to your liking.
    I honestly still consider this superior to what most XDG launchers offer (and of course also vastly superior to Windows 10's "Start Menu", which would be utterly unusable without the search function - Windows 7 had it right, by offering both, user-defined folders and a search function).

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  • Guest
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    I've been using Trinity for about three/four months.
    This is my experience so far (I haven't upgraded to the latest stable release yet):
    the first time I installed almost everything. Kmail didn't work immediately, I needed to modify openssl.conf. Korganizer works fully, also Basket, a great software. Kommander, a program to make application using a script language, has many problem, but it is not so important. I've disabled Arts, I hate it since the Kde3 era. The control center is a great program, let me do everything. Konqueror has what I need, custom scripts and can set the thumbnail at a larger size. But it has one bug that can crash it (just learn how to avoid it). Just to keep Trinity Desktop clean and lean, only selected applications are now in my installation.
    Why Trinity Desktop?
    I really tried every desktop. Lxqt is a promising DE but it needs more work. Xfce was a great DE but now it switched completely to the gtk3. Cinnamon, Kde5, Mate, Gnome3, Enlightenment and others have always something wrong that don't let me continue to use them, expecially for high resources usage. I don't mean ram usage. When I scroll web pages (I don't use Firefox nor Chrome/ium) and see tearing I know that my not-so-powerful-but-recent gpu (and obviously the cpu) is working at low speed.
    So, why to use Gnome3 or Kde5 instead of Trinity/Kde3? Just get rid of all the gtk3 applications and you'll see what difference this makes.
    Last edited by ; 31 December 2019, 06:08 AM.

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  • Paradigm Shifter
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    Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View Post
    And in list view with total files exceeding the fill of the window, these oh-so-helpful auto-select-file methods do not allow me access to the folder context menu. I have to switch to icon view, carefully navigate my cursor into the space between two or more file icons/names and right click then.

    Explicit selection of target before context action is a good thing, not a bad thing.
    Minor addendum to my previous post: just tested in Windows 10 1909 build 18363.535 and right clicking empty space in list view gives me folder context menu (good, expected), right clicking name or icon gives me file context menu (OK, so exactly the behaviour k1e0x says it does not) and right clicking in the Date Modified or Type areas gives me folder context menu (excellent). Note; since I installed this system years ago, I may have made a change to the default Explorer behaviour and forgotten about it.

    Also just tested with Cinnamon 4.4.6 (Mint 19.3) and in list view right clicking the name/icon/modified (anywhere with text, basically) gives me file context while blank space gives me fodler context. It did not used to do that, so I'm guessing it's a relatively recent tweak to Cinnamon/Nemo, but it solves one of my old complaints with it.

    So the goalposts have shifted again, by the pace of development for the two desktops.

    ...

    On a different note; I might give Trinity a go just for amusements sake - KDE was my first serious Linux desktop because of Mandrake Linux and RedHat 7, so I have some rose-tinted memories.

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