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  • #51
    Originally posted by Britoid View Post

    There's larger things to be concerned about than what the top of a window looks like if you're worried about consistency. Font rendering, how HiDPI is handled, different file choosers, keybindings, HIGs etc. Unlike titlebars, these inconsistencies will actually negatively impact people.

    KDE apps are never going to feel "native" under GNOME and it's stupid to think otherwise, likewise in the opposite direction.
    Qt and GTK+ 2.x got pretty damn close before GTK+ 3.x upset the applecart.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

      Qt and GTK+ 2.x got pretty damn close before GTK+ 3.x upset the applecart.
      Shockers, different developers have different ideas and preferences for how they want to develop their toolkits.

      Expecting Qt and GTK applications to feel and act the same is like expecting Android applications to feel native under iOS. It isn't going to happen.
      Last edited by Britoid; 12-02-2019, 08:24 AM.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Britoid View Post

        Shockers, different developers have different ideas and preferences for how they want to develop their toolkits.

        Expecting Qt and GTK applications to feel and act the same is like expecting Android applications to feel native under iOS. It isn't going to happen.
        no, but pretty much everyone should expect gtk applications to look and feel the same. they don't and plasma is the -only- desktop that handles it sanely, gnome exacerbates it to a ridiculous extreme.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Britoid View Post

          There's larger things to be concerned about than what the top of a window looks like if you're worried about consistency. Font rendering, how HiDPI is handled, different file choosers, keybindings, HIGs etc. Unlike titlebars, these inconsistencies will actually negatively impact people.

          KDE apps are never going to feel "native" under GNOME and it's stupid to think otherwise, likewise in the opposite direction.
          well at least you recognize gnomes many other flaws and how they negatively impact people, but that makes you a hypocrite in this sense.

          consistency was already once achieved, it was gtk3 that broke it years ago and then gnome exacerbated it to a retarded extreme. hell, gnome isn't even anywhere close to consistent with just gtk apps, let alone between qt and gtk. plasma is waaaaaay ahead on consistency even though gnome constantly exacerbates it.
          Last edited by duby229; 12-02-2019, 02:21 PM.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by duby229 View Post

            well at least you recognize gnomes many other flaws and how they negatively impact people, but that makes you a hypocrite in this sense.

            consistency was already once achieved, it was gtk3 that broke it years ago and then gnome exacerbated it to a retarded extreme. hell, gnome isn't even anywhere close to consistent with just gtk apps, let alone between qt and gtk. plasma is waaaaaay ahead on consistency even though gnome constantly exacerbates it.
            negatively impact people?

            The only people GNOME can negatively impact are people who use GNOME Shell and developers who use GTK.

            So GTK is bad because it didn't copy Qt? I guess I missed the memo when Qt was made the defacto toolkit on the Linux desktop.
            Last edited by Britoid; 12-02-2019, 03:47 PM.

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            • #56
              Iit
              Originally posted by Britoid View Post

              negatively impact people?

              The only people GNOME can negatively impact are people who use GNOME Shell and developers who use GTK.

              So GTK is bad because it didn't copy Qt? I guess I missed the memo when Qt was made the defacto toolkit on the Linux desktop.
              it was gtk3 and gnome shell that broke it in the first place. consistency was already pretty much complete before they made the choi e to break it. nobody ever said qt was defacto, just that gtk3 in one fell swoop broke years of everyone's effort and gnome has since exacerbated it far worse.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Britoid View Post

                negatively impact people?

                The only people GNOME can negatively impact are people who use GNOME Shell and developers who use GTK.

                So GTK is bad because it didn't copy Qt? I guess I missed the memo when Qt was made the defacto toolkit on the Linux desktop.
                Qt and GTK+ are hardly the only toolkits for X11 and, before GNOME, Microsoft, and Apple decided to try to start to tablet-ifying their UIs, there was a general consensus across platforms on what the basic building blocks of a desktop GUI should be, even if getting things exactly right in a cross-platform app was much more difficult.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                  Iit
                  it was gtk3 and gnome shell that broke it in the first place. consistency was already pretty much complete before they made the choi e to break it. nobody ever said qt was defacto, just that gtk3 in one fell swoop broke years of everyone's effort and gnome has since exacerbated it far worse.
                  And apps looked shit compared to today.

                  You're complaining GTK isn't allowed to have its own HIG and must follow what Qt/KDE is doing for consistency.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

                    Qt and GTK+ are hardly the only toolkits for X11 and, before GNOME, Microsoft, and Apple decided to try to start to tablet-ifying their UIs, there was a general consensus across platforms on what the basic building blocks of a desktop GUI should be, even if getting things exactly right in a cross-platform app was much more difficult.
                    GTK supports menus, dialogs, buttons, sliders, checkboxes etc so I don't see what's the point here.

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                    • #60
                      About ready to just drop Phoronix at this point. A simple, innocuous thread about the latest improvements to Plasma has turned into a 50+ posts shitfest thanks to our resident troll, 144Hz. I count about 6-10 posts that are actually relevant to Nate's work, and the rest stirring up trouble of KDE vs. Gnome. Again, instigated by 144Hz, who started it all in the first or second post. What happened, 144Hz, when you said about not talking about KDE in Gnome threads? A shame you can't follow your own advice.

                      Michael (and all others reading here), if you can't see what 144Hz is trying to do in multiple threads, then I guess there's not much else to say, and not really much more point to coming back here.

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