KDE's KWin Options UI Improved, Various Other Enhancements During Akademy Week

[phoronix]

Phoronix: KDE's KWin Options UI Improved, Various Other Enhancements During Akademy Week

KDE's annual Akademy developer conference took place this past week in Milan, Italy. But even with that in-person event the development of the KDE desktop environment didn't let up in landing new improvements...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Akademy-2019-Week

[shmerl]

So many wayland compositors. So little progress.

That's possibly why there is little progress - efforts are too spread out, unlike with X where it's all one focused effort. Compositors should have worked out a wider area common codebase to mitigate this. May be something like wlroots.

[tildearrow]

So many wayland compositors. So little progress.

I agree. Under X land, we have big-name compositors/window managers: KWin, GNOME Shell, Xfwm4, Compton, Compiz, and so on.
Wayland is a land of way too many experimental compositors: Weston, Sway, Orbital, Way Cooler, Motorcar, Cage, etc.

Why???

[sa666666]

So many wayland compositors. So little progress.

What happened when you told users in a Gnome thread to stick to that topic and not talk about KDE there? Why don't you follow your own advice, Griffin/GhostOfFunk? Oh that's right, but all you're good for is trolling about Gnome. Keep it up, and that will be a third account that will be banned here.

[tildearrow]

What happened when you told users in a Gnome thread to stick to that topic and not talk about KDE there? Why don't you follow your own advice, Griffin/GhostOfFunk? Oh that's right, but all you're good for is trolling about Gnome. Keep it up, and that will be a third account that will be banned here.

Yeah, I agree too. He writes lots of GNOME propaganda, although not as bad as Griffin/GOF/Mentalist.

And also, what I wrote on the other thread was just ONE freaking comment. It wasn't like I'd continue talking about KDE in a GNOME thread!!

144Hz please keep the GNOME talk to a minimum.

[boxie]

I agree. Under X land, we have big-name compositors/window managers: KWin, GNOME Shell, Xfwm4, Compton, Compiz, and so on.
Wayland is a land of way too many experimental compositors: Weston, Sway, Orbital, Way Cooler, Motorcar, Cage, etc.

Why???

side projects / people learning?
I see no problem with people experimenting and playing around.

I see the bigger desktops having their own wayland implementations - simply because they started before WL_ROOTS. Smaller/less resourced DE's will probably use mir/wl_roots as the basis.

In time the number of active projects will drop.

[starshipeleven]

I agree. Under X land, we have big-name compositors/window managers: KWin, GNOME Shell, Xfwm4, Compton, Compiz, and so on.
Wayland is a land of way too many experimental compositors: Weston, Sway, Orbital, Way Cooler, Motorcar, Cage, etc.

Why???

A "compositor" in Xorg-speech is "Window Manager", and there are literally a few dozens. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Window_manager

[starshipeleven]

That's possibly why there is little progress - efforts are too spread out, unlike with X where it's all one focused effort. Compositors should have worked out a wider area common codebase to mitigate this. May be something like wlroots.

I agree on this, just a minor clarification for others: X was a focused effort but it was locked to its own X protocol specification. This blocked any real progress.

[tildearrow]

A "compositor" in Xorg-speech is "Window Manager", and there are literally a few dozens. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Window_manager

When I say " Window Manager" I refer to a boring non-compositing window manager.
When I say "Compositor" I refer to an awesome compositing window manager.

[starshipeleven]

When I say " Window Manager" I refer to a boring non-compositing window manager.
When I say "Compositor" I refer to an awesome compositing window manager.

Please use different nomeclature, the names you are using are already taken.

A "window manager" in Xorg is a "compositor" in Wayland.

Being a "compositor" has nothing to do with wobbly windows and 3D effects, it has to do with the fact that the window manager is taking over the X server's role of rendering the desktop (which is what Wayland protocol expects at the end, as there is no more a "server" to do the final rendering).

Yes you can run a compositor on X too, and in that case you have Xorg that is basically just receiving rendered frames to show (and is 99% useless).

Being a "compositor" isn't terribly harder than being a "window manager", so you can have dozens of either, they will be minimal or simple or tiling, in most cases.

The issue is with migrating old, fancy and large WM/Compositors like Mutter, Kwin and Enlightenment. Also with migrating Mir to Wayland. It's not a coincidence that Compiz (a famous compositor back in the day) died off. They simply didn't have the momentum of a larger DE behind them.

And you see how glacial is the pace of even larger DE's development.