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  • #41
    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    But even if so, there's not much that can be improved in JuK. Everything is good about it. So as long as bugs get squashed, then it's all good. "neglecting" isn't always a bad thing: it can also mean that it's mature enough. And I feel like JuK definitely is.

    QMMP is too spartan IMHO and doesn't look as slick as JuK, even when only comparing it to the Simple User Interface.
    I don't know what you mean about "spartan"... I just installed JuK again to take another look, and it looks quite similar. Not to mention it always hangs on my collection when building its database. If it works for you great... too many bugs for me and IMO Qmmp is much much better, and has way more features and options.

    Here is a side to side comparison... JuK looks more "spartan" to me.... https://photos.app.goo.gl/nA9QPMdofUZLse3o6
    Last edited by gbcox; 09-08-2019, 01:11 PM.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by ms178 View Post
      I use Google Contacts.
      kontact is the full PIM suite with mail, calendar, contacts, notes, etc. Google Contacts will just not cut it and Gmail is of no use with my existing mailboxes. Even if it was just contacts, I'd not be allowed to legally to use Google Contacts as this would violate the EU's GDPR.

      So what are the plenty of alternatives to KDE PIM?

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      • #43
        Originally posted by niner View Post

        kontact is the full PIM suite with mail, calendar, contacts, notes, etc. Google Contacts will just not cut it and Gmail is of no use with my existing mailboxes. Even if it was just contacts, I'd not be allowed to legally to use Google Contacts as this would violate the EU's GDPR.

        So what are the plenty of alternatives to KDE PIM?
        I use other Google products for the tasks you mentioned just like millions of other EU citizens, and I do live in the EU as well (also Germany has the strictest laws on data protection within the EU). I haven't heard of Google's non-compliance with the GDPR at least I know of no court ruling saying so. So what is the problem of using their services?

        By the way, here is a page where they list what they do to comply with the GDPR: https://privacy.google.com/businesse...al_active=none
        Last edited by ms178; 09-08-2019, 01:10 PM. Reason: Adding the Google Privacy Link

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        • #44
          Originally posted by ms178 View Post
          I haven't heard of Google's non-compliance with the GDPR at least I know of no court ruling saying so. So what is the problem of using their services?
          None of my contacts were informed at the time they gave me their data that we would give the data to any third party.

          So your "plenty of good alternatives" are just that? "Give all your data and your company's data to Google and use their webapps"? You do have odd definitions of "plenty" and "good" I dare say.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by ms178 View Post

            I use other Google products for the tasks you mentioned just like millions of other EU citizens, and I do live in the EU as well (also Germany has the strictest laws on data protection within the EU). I haven't heard of Google's non-compliance with the GDPR at least I know of no court ruling saying so. So what is the problem of using their services?

            By the way, here is a page where they list what they do to comply with the GDPR: https://privacy.google.com/businesse...al_active=none
            I agree. The vast majority of people use cloud based services - be it Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. In fact, many businesses now use Google Suite because they don't want to spend the time and effort to support email services themselves. In today's world, people demand syncronization with their mobile devices - and you just aren't going to get that with the legacy apps.

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            • #46
              I still can't launch kwin_wayland with SDDM properly - when I do, it only uses the the top quarter of the screen and I still see the console on the rest of it - the mouse however works on the whole screen

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              • #47
                Originally posted by niner View Post

                None of my contacts were informed at the time they gave me their data that we would give the data to any third party.

                So your "plenty of good alternatives" are just that? "Give all your data and your company's data to Google and use their webapps"? You do have odd definitions of "plenty" and "good" I dare say.
                From a look in Art. 1 Nr. 3 GDPR: "The free movement of personal data within the Union shall be neither restricted nor prohibited for reasons connected with the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data." - as you see processing of data (at least within the Union, but there are treaties with the USA as well) is neither restricted nor prohibited. Of course the details are way more complicated. But there are ways to comply for cloud provides and businesses with this regulation. See also Art. 5 - 11 for the general principles, especially Art. 6 (1) b GDPR for the fullfilling of contracts, there is no consent needed to process their data.

                If you don't want to use Google products or cloud based services, fine. The GPDR argument doesn't hold scrutiny, at least to my eyes (and I got several law degrees but I don't deal with data protection law often anymore). There are plenty of other alternatives which I don't use hence I cannot talk about them. They exist though as these apps provide some common functionality. As you might remember, Kdenlive would be my exception. Not that there are no alternatives, but it has quite a few users. My argument is that problems like FireBurn's are much more important in my eyes to a wider audience. And there are still plenty of areas which I would rather see some developer attention on (which I consider to be "core features" of a desktop environment). We might agree to disagree on this one.

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                • #48
                  These are also the priorities of Shit Desktop.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                    Interesting. I'm using a KDE Wayland session as my daily driver and there's only 3 bugs I have with it:
                    2. Yakuake can't show up on my second monitor for some reason
                    Apps do not have a concept of which display they're running in, or the capabilities of that display (like resolution etc).

                    3. Firefox running natively on Wayland visually glitches any other windows that appear on top of it
                    This is a compositor problem.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by gbcox View Post
                      In today's world, people demand syncronization with their mobile devices - and you just aren't going to get that with the legacy apps.
                      If I'm not going to get synchronization with "legacy" apps, then why have I had synchronization for years between kontact and my Android phone? IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV are a thing. As is ActiveSync which with e.g. https://kopano.com/ is trivial to get.

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