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  • Buntolo
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    I have to agree with some of this but the idea of free education last high school just rubs me the wrong way. I see politics has been thrown at the student loan problem with politicians maneuvering to gain favor with the lazy. Here is the thing, I literally had zero dollars for college but did have the drive to find a job. I spent years working my way through college and came out of it loan free. Frankly making college free would just increase the population of shiftless people.

    Beyond all of that the stupidity of Outreachy is that it targets the wrong sorts of people. The woman programmers I know of (mind you I’m old and so are those woman) had the INTEREST and DRIVE to get into the field and succeed. They didn’t need a special program to help them decide to pursue this sort of career.

    Which brings up the real problem here, you need to develop interest in kids well before they enter high school. Outreachy is literally focused on people way to late in the educational cycle. So yes education is important here. The problem we currently have though is an attack on education because white guys where doing well within the system. This has resulted in throwing away standards of excellence in favor of the inclusion of low performers. This is absolute lunacy. The right approach is to demand more not less from education.


    Do you realise that education is mostly free or cheap (less than 3k$/year for university) in Europe? It's not like they are all lazy, uneducated (from a school-perspective) or shiftless. On the contrary: in Europe the shiftless people are usually those who attend private schools, as they basically pay to grade. This doesn't mean that private institutions in Europe suck, there are high-level private schools, but a huge chunk are just places for failed/rejected students.

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  • leipero
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    wizard69
    Your premise about 'free education' is completely wrong. The idea of free education is not to 'give garanteed eqal result', but 'equal opertunity', and it means just that, nothing more really. You yourself probably had 'free education' in public school (being elemntary or high school), so in a very direct way you did benefit from it. But, to cover some basic misconceptions:
    Do you really believe that 'interest and drive' are independent things devoted from any 'external' thing? This is rethorical question ofc. to avoid need to respond back, but, if you believe so, just think about it for a minute and you will realize quickly how wrong you are.
    There is no doubt that there are people who, like those people you named, did not need any 'push/special program', but that is the point here, and that is the problem, because if you only meet people who do not need that 'push', you will keep seeing same thing as you do now (male dominated feilds in many spheres). There is a good saying that is often mistaken for definition about stupidity/insanity, and it goes 'Doing same thing, expecting different result', and the only thing you need to realize is that you are suggesting exactly that (you did not offer the solution, I am not going to pretend I have one = I do not).

    The reality of the matter is that you are right about one thing for sure, and that is that wothewer your potential choice would be, is mostly defined at younger age, and I can testify that from personal example.

    To sum things up, no, having 'free (higher) education' would not increase the population of 'shiftless' people, besides, lazyness is one part of persons character/quality, and it is important one. At the end, if the purpose of 'progress' is to overwork yourself and work harder and more compared to the past times, sign me off of that 'progress', because in my view, the purpose of 'progress' is benefit towards as much individuals as possible and therefore benefit of society. But we can clearly see contratry to that, and tehre goes motivation you have spoke about.

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  • wizard69
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    I have to agree with some of this but the idea of free education last high school just rubs me the wrong way. I see politics has been thrown at the student loan problem with politicians maneuvering to gain favor with the lazy. Here is the thing, I literally had zero dollars for college but did have the drive to find a job. I spent years working my way through college and came out of it loan free. Frankly making college free would just increase the population of shiftless people.

    Beyond all of that the stupidity of Outreachy is that it targets the wrong sorts of people. The woman programmers I know of (mind you I’m old and so are those woman) had the INTEREST and DRIVE to get into the field and succeed. They didn’t need a special program to help them decide to pursue this sort of career.

    Which brings up the real problem here, you need to develop interest in kids well before they enter high school. Outreachy is literally focused on people way to late in the educational cycle. So yes education is important here. The problem we currently have though is an attack on education because white guys where doing well within the system. This has resulted in throwing away standards of excellence in favor of the inclusion of low performers. This is absolute lunacy. The right approach is to demand more not less from education.

    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    I think Outreachy spots a problem and I can't fault them for wanting to help, but imho it's going the wrong way about it.

    The reason why white men dominate STEM area isn't because white men are somehow discriminating against everyone else and thus you need to discriminate against them to fix it, it's because of stupid society stigmas and education. If you want to fix it, go into schools, get rid of gender-specific toys, campaign for free education for all and help on fixing society.

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  • kingu
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    $1,073,797 is either comparably a lot for making a libre desktop environment, or very little in respect of Outreachy.

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  • lyoneel
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    I always was a silent reader in phoronix, but this kind of biased views or country specific is for me weird, I'll try to express my opinion, I try to express in the best way possible, I'm not English native, so, sorry if something is not well written.

    I think that in US has a lot of discrimination problems, and language problems, I'm Argentinian, so we have a different view of discrimination.

    In old times we have slaves, first and second citizens like most of the parts of the world, but we deal with it, embrace some things and go ahead.

    From here, when they say the N word, seems illogical, because a word that is disrespectful when time passes that word lose strength and became something that group and identifies people, but in US they created a snowball that you can't stop now.

    We are called "sudacas" using a disrespectful tone but, when time passes, becomes a joke, and lose his strength, and then become part of common slang, embracing it.

    We having a lot of Venezuelan immigration here, and they get surprised when normally and in a friendly or lovely way we call people "Negrito/a" or "Negro/a", the meaning of this words, are in raw translation , little black, and black, the real meaning is like "honey" or something like, they seems stunned at first but then they understands, the intention and meaning.

    So where I'm going with all this ?

    Well I think that some societies are going backwards with offended people, are going to places where you can't go back.

    I really thing that in some parts of the world , like middle East woman are "second citizens", but I don't think that non white people has less opportunities or other races, like someone's say, may this is in some countries, communities that are in the 18XXs.

    I work with a lot of Indian people that are all over the world, they are not white in most of the cases, so are they discriminated? I don't think so.

    So exluding that countries or states that are in 1800s minded,

    I think like someone post here, the problem start in early ages with education, with gender based toys that do not help that woman get closer to STEM.

    And then, I believe that are people that needs to be helped/pushed to be something else, is not qualified for that, programming is not for everyone, you need to have some skills to be a useful one, and self learning and initiative are some of them, and that have nothing to do with gender, race or weight.

    The way that Gnome did is a kind of propaganda and socially acceptable / correct way to spread something, I don't agree with this kind of initiatives because do not attack the problem, just the symptom, but seems to work for them, and by default this kind of initiative is discrimination, because may someone because of gender do not have the opportunity.


    Sorry for this long long long post, but this kind of view/topic triggers me.

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  • rmoog
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    Originally posted by DanL View Post

    No, it sounds like the word outreach. Maybe you have a perverted mind, Mr. Slartifartblast...
    No, I get what they mean. About age 16 I realized that there are so many euphemisms for smutty stuff that it's impossible to say anything without it being unrelated to sex. Knowing what a reach-around is I can only guess what an "outreachy" could be.

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  • DanL
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    Originally posted by Slartifartblast View Post
    Outreachy ? Sounds like something pervs do on the Underground (The Subway for septics)
    No, it sounds like the word outreach. Maybe you have a perverted mind, Mr. Slartifartblast...

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  • Buntolo
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    Given how much GNOME 3 sucked bad with 274000$, I fail to see how they could do something even remotely decent with 4x the amount of funds.

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  • oleid
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    Originally posted by Wojcian View Post

    Are you planning to replace their brains? It seems non white/east-asian guys and woman aren't good programmers.
    Why wouldn't they?

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  • dkasak
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    Wow, nice amount of funding, and great news on the extra resources going into Outreachy too.

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