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Originally posted by rmoog View Post
Where were those outreach programmes when I was eating mold off the walls because I couldn't afford food and rent because the British simply do not hire Poles for anything more ambitious than cotton picking?
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Originally posted by JPFSanders View Post
I thought there was only two groups, the "group of people contributing", and the "group of people who do not contribute" wasn't aware of other groups.
So in your opinion; can you explain in plain English what is what was preventing those ladies from becoming programmers?
Is it that they had no interest on it? lack of knowledge?
And what is that the outreach programs did exactly to get them interested?
Those are serious questions.
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I just wish the GNOME people were given a reason to not keep making their software worse every year.
The most inescapably terrible bit is the file chooser in GTK3, since it's built in to the library directly. I have to patch and compile every time I update libgtk-3.
Also, it's fascinating how many people are feeding the trolls in this thread
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Originally posted by treba View PostHundred years ago women contributed little to daily politics, now they do a lot (at least in certain countries). I don't want to say that women and non-whites will necessary reach similar levels of contributions to foss software in the future because I can't know. Maybe they are less interested in general. But there are a lot of indicators suggesting that there are very talented people out there who would contribute if they got some extra help at the start. So I'd say lets try and see if it works. We can win a lot and lose much less (because there's more money than good programmers. Therefore too many bad programmers getting paid way too much, wasting money all over the place).
Answer my question please: Why did the ladies not have an interest in programming?, and what is what the programs did to get them interested?
What happened hundreds of years ago explains how the world was back then, which is not how the world is now, and the ladies we're talking about are alive now, not hundreds of years ago.
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Originally posted by JPFSanders View Post
Treba hundreds of years ago, was hundreds of years ago. The French revolution was hundreds of years ago, the 100 year war was hundreds of years ago and the American civil war was also 158 years ago.
Answer my question please: Why did the ladies not have an interest in programming?, and what is what the programs did to get them interested?
What happened hundreds of years ago explains how the world was back then, which is not how the world is now, and the ladies we're talking about are alive now, not hundreds of years ago.
Some people don't need encouragement to jump into something new (I fit into this camp), other people do (I also fit into this camp!).
Think of all these programs (not just outreachy, but GSoC and X.orgs Endless summer) as programs to encourage people and train them up mainly on interacting with the FOSS community. Do you remember the last time you feel intimidated by something new? Isolated in a room full of people? if not, then congratulations! you do not have a terrible experience to draw on to understand how other people feel. If you do, then you will know how handy it is to have a helping hand to help you get through it!
Now with all that in mind, image that the playing field you are on is not level and you face an uphill battle (hint, its a hard game). You have 2 choices. Play this unfair game, or, not play at all and go somewhere else where things are easier for you.
Outreachy is for the people who look at the sausage fest that is FOSS and see it as an uphill battle.
Not everything is about you. Not every opportunity is about you. Stop being a greedy fucker and let others have a piece of the pie too!
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Originally posted by JPFSanders View Post
Treba hundreds of years ago, was hundreds of years ago. The French revolution was hundreds of years ago, the 100 year war was hundreds of years ago and the American civil war was also 158 years ago.
Answer my question please: Why did the ladies not have an interest in programming?, and what is what the programs did to get them interested?
What happened hundreds of years ago explains how the world was back then, which is not how the world is now, and the ladies we're talking about are alive now, not hundreds of years ago.
So I guess it's a chicken-egg problem there. And it could be all fine if these mechanisms would match the interests and skills of all people. But that's certainly not the case yet.
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