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  • #61
    Originally posted by ehansin View Post
    ...So what am I getting at? We need solid core desktops that can then be made to look nice! And I don't care what desktop or desktops those are.
    [Emphasis mine]

    I know this is what a lot of Linux users want, but personally what I'd like are desktops that are nice out of the box. XFCE looks like Windows 95 and I've always had issues with how KDE looks OOTB for example. If you install Cinnamon from repos it doesn't hold up to the Mint default (which is admittedly nice).

    This is one of the biggest reasons I stick with Gnome. Yes it's a Javascript-infested POS with devs sent by Satan to force their workflow on you, but it sure does look nice (to me at least). And I cannot be bothered to do something worthy of posting on /r/unixporn with other DEs

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    • #62
      Originally posted by TheOne View Post

      Plank is a great fit for xfce and compared to other dock bars is lightweight and does what it needs to do.
      I used to have Plank but eventually I ditch it for a normal panel. I used to use DockbarX as well but both aren't truly integrated like the other native components. For how I have organized my double monitors desktop it works better with just the Xfce4 components.
      Last edited by Danielsan; 05-20-2019, 11:27 AM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
        HiDpi mostly works just excelent with Xfce. Except for one thing.

        Window decorations (window borders, buttons: close, minimize, maximize) are pixel-based. Therefore, you have to pick decorations designed for hiDpi, which limits your choice of decorations.
        Then it is not true HiDPI support, as true HiDPI means scaling everything, not just text.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by polarathene View Post
          how often are you running a DE without GPU accel and expecting fast performance? I feel that you're really nit picking here for reasons that Xfce is somehow better, rather than just accepting that both DEs can be good, no need for finding reasons that they're better than the other. Some cases, one or the other is going to be better, but that veers of mainstream desktop use.
          Yep, I expect fast performance without GPU acceleration. Can't take a compromise on this one, as I really like low-powered computers.

          I also have Xfce on a USB stick, for rescue situations. It helps a lot that it can start fast from a USB. That's why most USB-based distros pick Xfce. And a lot od modern laptops have only eMMC storage. Xfce starts fast from eMMC, but KDE does not.

          Also, Xfce Panel has a deskbar mode. Windows has got this feature since Win95. Last time I checked, KDE doesn't have it. It is a real screen space-saver on a laptop.

          KDE Plasma is a good desktop. But it's heavyweight.

          For some people, KDE Plasma is going to be a better choice, and for others Xfce is going to be a better choice.

          If you are dependant on eyecandy, choose KDE Plasma. It's not called Plasma for nothin'.
          Want tons of features? Choose KDE Plasma.
          Want essential desktop? Choose Xfce.

          By giving users correct and usefull descriptions, we can help each user to select a desktop which fits him best.

          Originally posted by polarathene View Post
          squabbling about DE superiority and the like is just ridiculous :P
          Probably you are right, but I dislike Gnome 3 so much that I can't help myself.
          Last edited by xfcemint; 05-20-2019, 12:18 PM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
            Then it is not true HiDPI support, as true HiDPI means scaling everything, not just text.
            The original question was:
            "...so does anyone know if this release will make it usable on high DPI screen?"

            And I answered with yes, Xfce is usable on HiDPI, and quite pleasant. The question was not about whether Xfce has "true HiDpi support", which is a different issue.
            Last edited by xfcemint; 05-20-2019, 11:52 AM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by retardxfce

              Swedes are so smart that they imported millions of ****** and ******** like debianxfce, a poor Indian into their country.
              I'm a swede...what did I ever do to you to deserve such a offensive and disrespectful comment.

              phoronix
              Is this type of comments something you stand by ?
              Last edited by mrazster; 05-21-2019, 07:48 AM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

                Genuine answer:
                KDE cannot work without a GPU accelerator.
                What are you talking about? It runs fine w/o GPU acceleration using Xrender (which you can enable in System Settings). At least on X11 (not sure about Wayland).
                Last edited by Vistaus; 05-20-2019, 12:17 PM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by frank007 View Post
                  In my opinion, Xfce didn't have to be ported to the Gtk3 libs; instead, the Xfce folks had to fork the Gtk2 libs.
                  Then they would've gotten the same backlash as Trinity got for forking Qt3.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

                    Um... I'm using it on a HiDpi screen and on multiple low DPI screens. I had this hiDpi screen for 3 years.

                    HiDpi mostly works just excelent with Xfce. Except for one thing.

                    Window decorations (window borders, buttons: close, minimize, maximize) are pixel-based. Therefore, you have to pick decorations designed for hiDpi, which limits your choice of decorations.

                    A more advanced option is to simply edit one of the existing decorations (resize the images to fit your DPI). You can do it in Gimp. The decorations are for Xfwm4 window compositor, so they are located in /usr/share/themes/themeName/xfwm4, as image files (usually .png or .xpm format). When you do it, you can also change the color of decorations to whatever you like, and their size, width, height, add glow effects, etc... You can also copy the decorations to a home directory to enable them only for a specific user.

                    Another options is to use Compiz as the window compositor instead of Xfwm4. But I can't go into detailed instructions. Or you can use both Xfwm4 and Compiz, and switch between them depending on what you are doing (it's just 2 clicks to switch). I switch to Compiz from time to time just to impress people.


                    Or just use Oomox to easily create a theme with GTK2 HiDPI support (it's one switch to enable).

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by mrazster View Post

                      I'm a swede...what did I ever do to you to deserve such a offensive and disrespectful comment.

                      phoronix
                      Is this type of comments something you stand by ?
                      What's offensive about stating a fact? Do you deny the demographic reality? In 50 years or less Sweden will be an islamic caliphate. Very "clever" those Swedes (Xfeces users)

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