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  • #11
    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
    KDE is buggy, never ready, slow, made by wannabee windows programmers and do not even have a freely configurable whisker menu.
    Oh Hai - There's a bite!
    xfce is bad because it doen't even have a configurable Application Launcher -or- a configurable latte dock (see what I did there with app names?)

    and, to be fair, as an xfce user you would have to be quite accustomed to "never ready" software by now :P

    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
    That is what gnome3 and kde do, makes you mad and posting shit.
    I'll add xfce to that list as well

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Templar82 View Post
      Genuine question, what can XFCE do here that KDE cannot?
      Genuine answer:
      KDE cannot start in 2 seconds.
      KDE cannot use as little memory as Xfce.
      KDE cannot be used on a Raspbery Pi, or any other low-powered computer.
      KDE cannot work without a GPU accelerator.

      (Edit: ah, you were talking about Whisker menu... not Xfce in general. But never mind)
      Last edited by xfcemint; 05-19-2019, 10:44 PM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

        As you see the kde menu is tree like, not freely configurable, no category hovering with the mouse.
        The "favorites" down the left are configurable same as XFCE? the only difference i see is XFCE shows the full title rather than the icon.

        Do you have a screenshot of your setup?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
          debianxfce, got anything to say?
          Do not feed the troll, even in jest.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
            That is what gnome3 and kde do, makes you mad and posting ****.
            Umm... this is not a nice thing to say. Can I ask you to avoid such words (problematic words underlined).

            Please?

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            • #16
              Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
              KDE is buggy, never ready, slow, made by wannabee windows programmers and do not even have a freely configurable whisker menu.



              That is what gnome3 and kde do, makes you mad and posting shit.
              XFeces is abandonware, never ready, always buggy and slow,. Only desktop to ever crash on me is XFceces.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

                Genuine answer:
                KDE cannot start in 2 seconds.
                KDE cannot use as little memory as Xfce.
                KDE cannot be used on a Raspbery Pi, or any other low-powered computer.
                KDE cannot work without a GPU accelerator.

                (Edit: ah, you were talking about Whisker menu... not Xfce in general. But never mind)
                XFCE uses more RAM than KDE (especially after being ported to the bloated piece of crap called GTK3) try and see for yourself. This is true from my experience and from others (google xfce vs kde comparison). More ram usage with 5% of features and looking like debianxfce(shit)

                If you want minimalism try xmonad or dwm, or openbox if tiling is not your thing, instead of extremly bloated, slow and buggy piece of crap called Xfeces.
                Last edited by retardxfce; 05-20-2019, 12:18 AM.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                  KDE cannot start in 2 seconds.
                  Startup finished in 647ms (kernel) + 461ms (userspace) = 1.109s
                  graphical.target reached after 461ms in userspace

                  You're talking about time from login to DE though right? I haven't timed for over a year but, back then it seems that was around 5 second mark, I know there's been improvements in this area since, but probably right that it doesn't hit 2 seconds.

                  Is that an important metric for you when choosing a DE? Do you boot so frequently that a few extra seconds is a dealbreaker?

                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                  KDE cannot use as little memory as Xfce.
                  You're probably right? I don't run XFCE so I can't comment, I know that with KDE it's around the 450MB mark. There's also lighter-weight DEs than XFCE if this is a major priority for you, but for the same reasons a user might prefer KDE, I'd wager you'd not want to give up whatever benefits you enjoy from XFCE to use a DE that requires less memory?

                  For a typical user, the difference between the two is minimal when actual usage of apps is taken into account. I've got 32GB RAM and can use the bulk of it without much trouble for the software I use, I've done so with 128GB RAM too(heavy data processing). <500MB is a drop in the bucket at that point. On a 2GB laptop, I've got a functioning laptop with plenty of memory to spare for light/casual use, saving 100-200MB would be nice, but switching to XFCE would degrade the experience elsewhere(just like it would for you as an XFCE user to downgrade your DE for less memory usage).

                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                  KDE cannot be used on a Raspbery Pi, or any other low-powered computer.
                  Really? That'd really depend on what you consider low power I guess? You might have a better argument with cost or hardware resources.

                  ODROID-N2 runs on ~5W, can be powered by a powerbank over USB, costs 2-3x(depending on model) of the RPi though. Can run KDE.

                  Just like all the other points, it could be pointed out there will be hardware that runs something lighter than XFCE, where XFCE fails to be relevant. Does that make you want to use that or stick with XFCE?

                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                  KDE cannot work without a GPU accelerator.
                  Sure it can, it works in VMs where it doesn't have proper GPU access and as such the compositor disables certain eyecandy. If you have more to say about this though with some examples, that'd be good to know?

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                  When it comes down to it though, use whatever works best for your needs. If the above reasons you cite make XFCE that much better of a DE for you, great! Use XFCE But it's a bit silly to bash KDE on them when you could do equally the same against XFCE with a DE that outperforms it in all those areas too, but you definitely won't be switching from XFCE because of that.

                  You have a bias to XFCE and that's cool, no need to try come up with reasons to defend your choice.

                  Last edited by polarathene; 05-20-2019, 01:04 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
                    KDE and gnome3 users are jealous for Xfce users because Xfce users have a freely configurable, stable,light, easy to use and fast desktop. That is why kde users have the loudest voice in this thread. It is painful to use kde and gnome 3 desktops.
                    Xfce users are jealous for Puppy Linux users because Puppy Linux users have a freely configurable, stable, light, easy to use and fast desktop. That is why Xfce users have the loudest voice in this thread. It is painful to use Xfce desktops.

                    Xfce is so heavy on memory usage compared to Puppy Linux, why would anyone want that bloat.

                    Xfce is so buggy, you can't even get the page to load when listing all bugs:
                    https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cg...bug_id&limit=0

                    This pointing fingers game sure is easy. Enjoy your DE, I'll enjoy mine.

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                    • #20
                      What are you talking about tabarnak! Use what you want to use. That's it! I'm using XFCE currently, but I will not create 34 accounts to yell it to eveybody. And i'm also not happy that Debian stable will use a 4 years old desktop for two more years.

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