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  • #51
    I just tested gnome 3.32 on archlinux on my laptop and I notice that it is still very heavy in the use of CPU resources.
    It still seems much more responsive than before.
    I find the interface quite good overall but I don't understand why you have to add this kind of extension to see the applications in the background https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1031/topicons/ ... This should have been integrated by default long ago.....

    After more than 12 years under Linux.... There is no longer any desktop environment that really suits me.
    I really liked xfce but the development is slow and modernization takes time. It's such a shame.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Buntolo View Post

      I use mouse the least possible, thus not being a command line zealot. I simply shortcut all the time, even inside programs (for example to export a PDF in Libreoffice Calc I press Alt to bring menu, then F for File and E for Export as PDF), I use underlined shortcuts a lot.



      Yeah, I use my computers like this for like 10 years.



      It's true that a lot of users are unwilling to adapt to new systems/processes, but I don't think it's the case, as G3 has been progressively dumbed down since 2012. It's very weak out of the box, there's no customisation, it has no shortcut in window menu, the dock/panel customisation is nearly non-existent and so on.



      Can you please elaborate what you mean by mouse push/pull and task listing?



      In my opinion, absolutely not: it's useful for notifications from programs/clients with status change/update, like chats, emails, backup, torrent and so on.
      Android and iOS have notification bar, where new messages/emails/etc appears and stay there, it's a similar thing to an icon tray.

      According to GNOME team I need to keep up Telegram, IRC, torrent, etc all opened, clogging up desktop with windows for nothing. Oh yeah, I may iconise them buuuut...they removed the icon button and even if they didn't, I'd have 5 unnecessary icons cloggin up space in the upper panel and during app switching via Alt + Tab.

      A taskbar listing is like Windows 95.
      Internet Explorer || File Manager || Real Player || Winzip

      Most UI's have moved away from that model.. with the exception of Mate, Cinnamon and XFCE. (Windows 10 and KDE are hybrids) (including Phone OS's as they are important ot UI design) Today most use thumbnail images or expose like style.

      Push pull with the mouse is simple. Pull the mouse towards you to the bottom of the screen and pay attention to your wrist as you do. as you pull into your wrist you'll notice tension. Now push it away to the top. You'll notice you can just extend your fingers to access that area. That means more frequent areas of the screen you use should be at the top. The sides and corners are also valuable real estate because they can be accessed by large sweeping movements, where as finding a small section in the middle of the screen uses fine motions.

      Maybe take the Gnome Challenge.. use it for a week or two maybe with or without extensions to force yourself to learn hotkeys and motions.. it's def not a bad way to work.. but it is different. You have to be bold to do something different.. and a lot of ppl will be upset by it.. but if you want to move forward with your design.. Microsoft was unwilling to take that risk, Gnome was.




      Last edited by k1e0x; 03-18-2019, 09:06 PM.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
        A taskbar listing is like Windows 95.
        Internet Explorer || File Manager || Real Player || Winzip

        Most UI's have moved away from that model.. with the exception of Mate, Cinnamon and XFCE. (Windows 10 and KDE are hybrids) (including Phone OS's as they are important ot UI design) Today most use thumbnail images or expose like style.
        I swear I didn't understand yet what this taskbar listing is, as in my 7 years of Xfce I think I've never seen it.

        The push/pull thing is why I've moved bottom panel in Xfce to the left side.

        Maybe take the Gnome Challenge.. use it for a week or two maybe with or without extensions to force yourself to learn hotkeys and motions.. it's def not a bad way to work.. but it is different. You have to be bold to do something different.. and a lot of ppl will be upset by it.. but if you want to move forward with your design.. Microsoft was unwilling to take that risk, Gnome was.
        I've GNOME 3 on my desktop PC (gaming/Netflix/stuff) for like 2 years, I've kept it as bare as possible, with just tweak tool or whatever it's called, no theme, no customisation whatsoever. It's still pure dumbness to me and keep being dumbed down at every new release.

        As it is out of the box you can't basically do anything well without a mouse, and even with a mouse it's still stupid: how the fsck I'm supposed to use chat/torrent/whatever without tray icon? Do they want me to keep a messy desktop? I feel it's like Windows again, with just a bunch of overlapping windows randomly thrown on the screen. The default automatic new window placement of GNOME 3 is just pure crap, especially compared to Xfce one (Xfce can behave in a hybrid tiling way with minimal effort, which is how I use it).

        Maybe using various extensions G3 get really good, but I've been burned pretty bad in the past with all the extension breaking due to a missing valid API. Also I'm not a student anymore (way less free time) and I don't want to spend too much time customising the hell out, I don't even change default wallpaper for like 5 years.

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        • #54
          Buntolo xfce it's optional but ya. I like xfce too. Your gripes here aren't wrong. Gnome is designed to be minimal. It's why when you right click it Gnome it only shows you the bare options. It's intentional. (KDE is the power desktop) the toolbar change from lower left in the slide out tray to..?? Gone kind of upset me too. Some apps expect that. Top-icons plus is one of the only extentions I use.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by k1e0x View Post
            Buntolo xfce it's optional but ya. I like xfce too. Your gripes here aren't wrong. Gnome is designed to be minimal. It's why when you right click it Gnome it only shows you the bare options. It's intentional. (KDE is the power desktop) the toolbar change from lower left in the slide out tray to..?? Gone kind of upset me too. Some apps expect that. Top-icons plus is one of the only extentions I use.
            KDE looks to me what GNOME3 should be, it's way more powerful.

            So you don't even use gnome-tweak-tool?

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Buntolo View Post
              Do they want me to keep a messy desktop?
              Maybe move stuff to a different virtual desktop?

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              • #57
                Originally posted by k1e0x View Post

                A taskbar listing is like Windows 95.
                Internet Explorer || File Manager || Real Player || Winzip

                Most UI's have moved away from that model.. with the exception of Mate, Cinnamon and XFCE. (Windows 10 and KDE are hybrids) (including Phone OS's as they are important ot UI design) Today most use thumbnail images or expose like style.

                Push pull with the mouse is simple. Pull the mouse towards you to the bottom of the screen and pay attention to your wrist as you do. as you pull into your wrist you'll notice tension. Now push it away to the top. You'll notice you can just extend your fingers to access that area. That means more frequent areas of the screen you use should be at the top. The sides and corners are also valuable real estate because they can be accessed by large sweeping movements, where as finding a small section in the middle of the screen uses fine motions.

                Maybe take the Gnome Challenge.. use it for a week or two maybe with or without extensions to force yourself to learn hotkeys and motions.. it's def not a bad way to work.. but it is different. You have to be bold to do something different.. and a lot of ppl will be upset by it.. but if you want to move forward with your design.. Microsoft was unwilling to take that risk, Gnome was.
                After a while, you get used to GNOME's shortcuts and gestures. Nowadays I get lost more easily with a traditional taskbar than I do with the way GNOME shows all open windows with a gesture. Feels more natural, more human. But I get that it's a very risky move and stable/corporate owned distributions like Ubuntu should stick with something more traditional. GNOME shouldn't stop, but it also shouldn't be enforced as default when a user has to relearn everything about the interface.

                Pantheon does this better, it hits the right spot between innovation and familiarity. Too bad it seems to be developed with a single distribution in mind, elementary OS.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Buntolo View Post

                  KDE looks to me what GNOME3 should be, it's way more powerful.

                  So you don't even use gnome-tweak-tool?
                  I do but not a lot, mostly for theming and fonts. haha. One thing I do set is I always set double click on the title bar to minimize the window. So if I want an app to "go away" I just double click it. (maximizing is what it usually is but that is just drag to top.) Another extension I like is workspace auto scroll. so if you scroll your mouse over the wallpaper it gives you a new virtual desktop. (it's not required tho and of course there is ctl+alt (shift) up/down as well tho, that I use frequently to move windows between them.) The extension is just a shortcut if I don't want to move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard.

                  And yes KDE was for power, it always has been. For me right clicking on something and finding 30 options (25 of them I probably don't want) is distracting to me, but I can't say KDE is bad for everyone. It's quite a good desktop (when the launch bar is moved to the top lol) I forced myself to use it for year or so. (when plasma 5 came to FreeBSD) My biggest gripe is Dolphin though. I like Thunar and Nautilus the most.

                  I did check out Deepin desktop for a while and where as it looks great, and has a pretty good file manager.. I run FreeBSD mostly so it's not available to me. (yet) at work I use Mac OS X and it's.. ok.. decent. Finder sucks, most of the iApps suck hard and the hotkey/mouse gestures are confusing. but.. we needs all them commercial apps. for some reason.. Otherwise it's Unix and familiar.
                  Last edited by k1e0x; 03-23-2019, 05:20 PM.

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