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  • #21
    Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
    skeevy420 I disagree. Fedora and Ubuntu is a smooth sail. More consistent than ever as themes just work and headerbar designs are taking over.
    I'm not saying it isn't consistent or bad looking, just that, for me at least, CSD/Gnome 3 gets in my way more than it doesn't. I don't like Gnome 3 from a usability stance, but it is one of the prettiest desktop around due to a lot of the things I dislike about it(outside of flat icons...I really dislike the flat icon trend everyone and their mother seeems to be following).

    On mobile and smaller screens, CSD just works better. That's a given. If anyone disagrees, "simply" run a distro with Gnome 3 & KDE 5 (or XFCE) with a VNC on your phone. On desktops and gaming systems using HD resolutions on at least a 13" 4:3 screen, CSD makes no sense in regards to it's goal of saving screen real estate. All that stuff that makes it great on mobile makes it suck on a desktop (again, my opinion).

    IMHO, GTK3/CSD should require all programs to have both the current CSD header bar as well as a desktop bar where half the header bar is the old style File Options Help and the other half mimics a traditional title bar that is 100% handled by Mutter (and to blend in with other desktop environments as a bonus)...or a method where Mutter can convert the hamburger to a header menu bar...just some method that gives us the best of both worlds.

    (I wish I knew how to program so I wasn't just some asshole making a rant and could actually help implement my ideas or assist a project like gtk3-mushrooms).

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    • #22
      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

      That sucks, I hope CSD can be disabled in about:config, CSS, or that the Menu>Customize>Title Bar option is still present.
      According to OMG! Ubuntu, it is still present in the graphical customize options, so all will be fine. Not a fan though. Their catering to Gnome chimeras is annoying for propably the majority of actual users who do use other desktops than Gnome/Unity (I though there was a stat or survey sometime in the last five years…).

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      • #23
        Originally posted by hreindl View Post
        the reason is simply - i owned 20000 mp3 tracks before something better wa available and refuse having a mix of formats because it's overhead to link "mpd" with additional libraries, real overhead other than your "sandboxing is overhead because you have a line more in output of mount"
        Oh yeah, since you love mixing topics so much. If we talk about memory usage (your "real overhead"), a mount has overhead in kernel memory space, which is much more precious and not swappable, while your fucking library is memory mapped so uses even less memory than you think, so STFU.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by hreindl View Post
          tell that your mobile device battery
          Mobile is for peasants.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by holunder View Post
            Their catering to Gnome chimeras is annoying for propably the majority of actual users who do use other desktops than Gnome/Unity (I though there was a stat or survey sometime in the last five years…).
            Most recent survey I can find had KDE as the most used DE and GNOME was at third place, however all the GTK-based DEs combined still held the absolute majority

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            • #26
              skeevy420 Lucky me. I happen to like header bar designs. Visually it is pleasant and everything just comes naturally.

              And here’s the thing. You can never be truly compatible and truly consistent at the same time. So you have to pick one goal.

              Fedora, Ubuntu and many other picked a common goal of consistency. So that’s how things gonna be. I think they already made progress that’s easy to verify and quantify.

              In the compatibility camp I find nothing but frustrations.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

                The env var I understand, but browser.tabs.drawInTitlebar... I thought that setting only worked on Windows?
                The whole point of this CSD is to look and work like in Windows me thinks.
                Quick way if you don't like it : to access the "Customize...." option you can right-click on the GUI anywhere other than tha tabs, URL bar and back/forward buttons.

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                • #28
                  In general, I'm in favour of CSD, since it cuts down on wasted screen space. But my experience of CSD-based Firefox on Windows is that it has the problem that there's barely a single pixel in the header that you can safely click on... so if you're looking to move the window (e.g to another monitor that you've just plugged in), it's a challenge to find something to drag.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
                    Personally, on displays over 13" with at least a 768 verticle resolution, CSD makes no sense whatsoever. Most of my QT programs can be configured to use less space with a minimal sized titlebar and the default File Edit header than GTK CSD programs use with everything combined. It's amazing how much space can be saved by tweaking KDE's default font sizes and KWin's title bar size.
                    I enabled CSD here and it's integrated with Plasma theme fine.
                    Also with Thunderbird https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/0...-with-new.html
                    I don't see why I should:
                    -waste space in the browser where I need as much space as possible
                    -reduce the top bar for every friggin application so the buttons become unclickable.

                    In FF if you enable the CSD the buttons in the top right corner still match Plasma, it's not like Chrome/ium that uses its own stuff.

                    EDIT: and I run a fullHD 17'' laptop screen or on a bigass 32'' widescreen 21:9 monitor from LG. Admittedly it's more important for the laptop, I enabled in the main PC only for consistency.
                    Last edited by starshipeleven; 01-30-2019, 05:32 AM.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                      I enabled CSD here and it's integrated with Plasma theme fine.
                      Also with Thunderbird https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/0...-with-new.html
                      I don't see why I should:
                      -waste space in the browser where I need as much space as possible
                      -reduce the top bar for every friggin application so the buttons become unclickable.

                      In FF if you enable the CSD the buttons in the top right corner still match Plasma, it's not like Chrome/ium that uses its own stuff.

                      EDIT: and I run a fullHD 17'' laptop screen or on a bigass 32'' widescreen 21:9 monitor from LG. Admittedly it's more important for the laptop, I enabled in the main PC only for consistency.
                      I switch between a 19" 1400x900 monitor and a 49" 1080p TV with my desktop depending on what I'm doing...text editing/internet or games/multimedia. On neither does CSD improve anything to save space in a meaningful way. With some programs like PulseEffects, so much crap is jammed into the header bar that it's a compressed fustercluck (and I don't want to know how bad it'll be at lower resolutions or small, condensed screens since it's pretty bad on my 19" 1400x900 display).

                      For me, setting the KDE title bar font to 9 and all border/button sizes to tiny works well, saves space, and I don't have to worry about where I grab the top bar to drag a window (though I could map ALT to one of the 12 keys on my mouse and where to grab would be a moot point).

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