Firefox 65.0 Released With WebP Support, Better Security

[grok]

Dunno what the goal is, but Xerox GlobalView was the first desktop to have CSD's and hamburger menus. So they could've taken their inspiration from either GV or Win (depending on the design team's history).

Well I was implicitly saying, "works like Firefox on Windows". I'm not sure if the CSD vs SSD distinction makes sense there, it's terminology that immediately makes sense in the X11 world but Windows only ever had one window manager and had custom windows too (e.g. antivirus or random vendor junk)

BTW I tried Thunderbird and got this same style of GUI with no window title bar and hamburger menu. I was pissed. I thought this is a traditional, old, complex piece of software and not a browser. Learning the Firefox hamburger might be fine, you'll use it a lot more and controls are in the toolbar and right-click menu anyway. But Thunderbird.. F*** this. I deleted it.

[pal666]

yeah, you genius would have re-encoded 20000 already lossy compressed titles or what?

no, i'm smart enough to use mp3 for old files and something else for new

[pal666]

majority of actual users who do use other desktops than Gnome/Unity

majority of users use default desktops. i.e. gnome3/unity

[pal666]

the reason is simply - i owned 20000 mp3 tracks before something better wa available and refuse having a mix of formats because it's overhead to link "mpd" with additional libraries, real overhead

real overhead is using mp3. use something better and reduce overhead.

[pal666]

I feel about CSD the way a lot of people feel about systemd.

all idiots are alike. csd has nothing to do with how it looks or how many clicks you need. that's property of ONE IMPLEMENTATION. csd means there are no extra compositions, that's all. you are cluelessly confusing csd with "app menu" or something else

[Vistaus]

The whole point of this CSD is to look and work like in Windows me thinks.

Dunno what the goal is, but Xerox GlobalView was the first desktop to have CSD's and hamburger menus. So they could've taken their inspiration from either GV or Win (depending on the design team's history).

Almost, but not quite yet. Wait until the next Firefox ESR release.

I'd love to make sure my websites break for people who insist on using ESR without having to. Images are a luxury anyway.

[skeevy420]

skeevy420 Lucky me. I happen to like header bar designs. Visually it is pleasant and everything just comes naturally.

And here’s the thing. You can never be truly compatible and truly consistent at the same time. So you have to pick one goal.

Fedora, Ubuntu and many other picked a common goal of consistency. So that’s how things gonna be. I think they already made progress that’s easy to verify and quantify.

In the compatibility camp I find nothing but frustrations.

To me, title bar and then the program is consistent. Every program might not look the same, but that really isn't a big deal if it works well. It's just fine that GIMP, Firefox, SMPlayer, Steam, Dolphin, Handbrake, and Inkscape all look differently. I don't expect a video transcoder and a game client to have the same UI as a file manager or image editor.

It's like being upset that two different games have a different Options Menu formats and different settings available. What works for one program doesn't necessarily work for another. CSD works well for some things and not for others.

[skeevy420]

I enabled CSD here and it's integrated with Plasma theme fine.
Also with Thunderbird https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/0...-with-new.html
I don't see why I should:
-waste space in the browser where I need as much space as possible
-reduce the top bar for every friggin application so the buttons become unclickable.

In FF if you enable the CSD the buttons in the top right corner still match Plasma, it's not like Chrome/ium that uses its own stuff.

EDIT: and I run a fullHD 17'' laptop screen or on a bigass 32'' widescreen 21:9 monitor from LG. Admittedly it's more important for the laptop, I enabled in the main PC only for consistency.

I switch between a 19" 1400x900 monitor and a 49" 1080p TV with my desktop depending on what I'm doing...text editing/internet or games/multimedia. On neither does CSD improve anything to save space in a meaningful way. With some programs like PulseEffects, so much crap is jammed into the header bar that it's a compressed fustercluck (and I don't want to know how bad it'll be at lower resolutions or small, condensed screens since it's pretty bad on my 19" 1400x900 display).

For me, setting the KDE title bar font to 9 and all border/button sizes to tiny works well, saves space, and I don't have to worry about where I grab the top bar to drag a window (though I could map ALT to one of the 12 keys on my mouse and where to grab would be a moot point).

[starshipeleven]

Personally, on displays over 13" with at least a 768 verticle resolution, CSD makes no sense whatsoever. Most of my QT programs can be configured to use less space with a minimal sized titlebar and the default File Edit header than GTK CSD programs use with everything combined. It's amazing how much space can be saved by tweaking KDE's default font sizes and KWin's title bar size.

I enabled CSD here and it's integrated with Plasma theme fine.
Also with Thunderbird https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/0...-with-new.html
I don't see why I should:
-waste space in the browser where I need as much space as possible
-reduce the top bar for every friggin application so the buttons become unclickable.

In FF if you enable the CSD the buttons in the top right corner still match Plasma, it's not like Chrome/ium that uses its own stuff.

EDIT: and I run a fullHD 17'' laptop screen or on a bigass 32'' widescreen 21:9 monitor from LG. Admittedly it's more important for the laptop, I enabled in the main PC only for consistency.