Outreachy Announces Its Winter 2018 Interns To Work On The Linux Kernel, GNOME

[milkylainen]

Yes.

But diversity doesn't come naturally. There is both passive and active resistance, including from posters right here on this forum and in this thread. If someone chooses to exercise their freedom to help a few overcome that resistance, I can only see it as a good thing.

Err? Diversity is the ONLY thing that comes naturally if you let a diverse system be long enough.
You fail to realize how much the world has changed without everybody whining about inequalities of the world.

There is an under-representation of male nurses and male kindergarten teachers around the world.
I think we should force you into some white workwear and stick you in an emergency room.
Not liking it? Bad analogy? Sure. But you don't see everybody bitching about things the other way around.

I do think that the less you think about it the more equal the world becomes.
Maybe not at your desired pace, but ototh, I don't think you really can force this type of stuff.

[tildearrow]

GNOME project which is so amazing

Where the browser (Epiphany) crashes when you interrupt it, buttons are all over the place, it has hard-to-understand icons (like the tombstone), there is some non-configurable redundancy (Epiphany has two ways of switching tabs: by clicking on them or using the 2000's-era drop-down menu), you have to use a tablet-like Activities menu for switching/launching applications (disregard if you are on a tablet), it is very slow and sucks for XWayland (they don't even understand the concept of VSync), you can't easily minimize, extensions break on every upgrade, the desktop shell is also the compositor (meaning if it crashes it takes down the whole session), it makes the user angry and uses poorly done CSD.

[bregma]

a - someone's freedoom ends when the right of others begins , outreachy violates aplicants rights to not be discriminated becuase of irrelevant qualities

The GNOME Foundation is free to spend its money as it sees fit with the constraints of its charter, and spending it on software development is clearly within the bounds of that charter.

The GNOME Foundation has declared that this disbursement will be made based on the qualification that an application belongs to an identified underprivileged groups. Your argument that belonging to a traditionally underprivileged group is an irrelevant qualification to receive a disbursement based on membership in such a group seems somewhat poorly argued.

You do not personally have any unqualified right to receive any money from the GNOME Foundation. It is not an encroachment on any of your freedoms if they choose to disburse their fund to someone other than you for whatever reason they choose (within the legal bounds of their Charter and the laws of incorporation of a non-profit organization in the State of California in which they're registered, which includes the fact that they're not allowed to spend on party-political activity).

There is no conflict of freedoms here. You do not have your freedom threatened. The freedom of the GNOME Foundation does not have to be limited.

b - programs like outreachy dont end discrimination , they perpetuate directly and because of the backlash they cause

Program to ameliorate inequity do not end discrimination: they attempt to adjust for it. The purpose of a program like Outreachy is not to end discrimination, but to help those subject to it. Ending discrimination has to be done elsewhere through other means.

Backlash such as your reaction do not end discrimination, it's just a sign of it and an attempt to perpetuate it.

[uid313]

Where the browser (Epiphany) crashes when you interrupt it, buttons are all over the place, it has hard-to-understand icons (like the tombstone), there is some non-configurable redundancy (Epiphany has two ways of switching tabs: by clicking on them or using the 2000's-era drop-down menu), you have to use a tablet-like Activities menu for switching/launching applications (disregard if you are on a tablet), it is very slow and sucks for XWayland (they don't even understand the concept of VSync), you can't easily minimize, extensions break on every upgrade, the desktop shell is also the compositor (meaning if it crashes it takes down the whole session), it makes the user angry and uses poorly done CSD.

I generally like GNOME for the most part. The text editor, file manager, calculator, and most stuff is nice and works good for me.

I haven't really used Epiphany much, since I mostly use Firefox. But the idea behind Epiphany is nice too, to built something around WebKit2 or Blink or whatever so it supports the latest web standards, then integrate it with GNOME.

I am not so much of a fan of the dash part of the GNOME Shell though. It might be good on a tablet or phone, but not so useful on a desktop, so I use use the Dash-to-Panel extension, and Arc-Menu.

[Redfoxmoon]

Cue the racists and sexist bigots, yet again. How is this even legal

[DanL]

Cue the racists and sexist bigots, yet again.

Cue whining from you about Outreachy, yet again.

[bregma]

This is ridiculous; most open source contributions, such as patches and commits, are made relatively anonymously, with many project leaders never meeting most of their contributors in person, often times they may be at opposite side of the country, if not the world. Consequently, the project leaders will not know nor care about the ethnicity or gender of the person submitting the code, only the quality of the code.

You may not be aware, but the program is not to encourage contributions to free software. It is to leverage contributions to free software to create avenues of access to careers in software development for people who have traditionally been discriminated against, discouraged, and forbidden from having such access due to characteristics such as sex, skin colour, or cultural identity.

To argue that a generally welcoming and accepting culture like that in the free software development community should not be using its gifts to help those who have felt the consequences of not being gifted with certain tangible or intangible characteristics because it's a welcoming and accepting culture seems to miss the bit where you derive a conclusion from the premises.

[tildearrow]

Cue whining from you about Outreachy, yet again.

Cue complaints from "cries", yet again.

[kaprikawn]

Diversity should come naturally and not be forced, you don't solve the problem (and it is a problem) of under representation by active reverse discrimination, this was one of the reasons for the backlash against the Linux CoC (who was written by someone that actively reverse discriminates).

How do you know you don't help the situation with reverse discrimination? Just because you say so doesn't make that true.

Anyway, it's not reverse discrimination. It would be reverse discrimination if you had a position that needed filling, and you only excepted under-represented groups as applicants. But Outreachy was created for the sole purpose of giving under-represented groups an 'in' into the FOSS community. The program's raison d'etre is to encourage people to get into FOSS. Git is a FOSS project, anyone can decide to improve git bisect, they just need to clone git, make the changes and submit patches, nobody is being excluded from doing that. Outreachy just gives a framework for someone to get into doing that who otherwise might not have done.

[Jumbotron]

I LOVE all the Gnome hate. It just means that yet another Distribution in the near future will deprecate KDE and make Gnome the default DE. Please keep up Gnome haters! LOL!!!