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  • #31
    Originally posted by Avant View Post
    And if it worked fine on those shits, then what happened now and can't even run flawlessly on high-end machines?
    It doesn't work fine on those machines. I do own one of these machines and Gnome3 is slow as suck (Fedora 28 with nearly everything removed that is not needed). Same applies on the system that my sister runs (i3, HDD, 8gb Ram). I installed Fedora 28 (with all services removed, tracker disabled and all that crap package management running in the bg). Gnome3 stutters, mouse movement stutters. It works! But it's not compareable if I run Xfce4 on the same system (which works fluent).

    Gtk3 is also sluggish slow. I noticed a huge performance loss (in rendering and drawing of widgets). e.g. A lot of popup menus and windows show a black rectangle for around 1 second before anything is drawn on them. Been having this for quite some Fedora releases. This is totally noticable e.g. in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Gtk3) and some other applications. Gtk3 Filechooser takes up to 3 seconds to actually pop up here. Even on the i3 system of my sister.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by dos1 View Post

      …. Seems there are no good, well supported toolkit choices for C these days )
      nor should there be. Part of the reason we have such buggy and slow software these days is the Open Source community relying upon havked together platforms built upon C. Combine this with the ill concieved use of Javascript for even more hacked together code and you get GNOME.

      Even a move to modern C++ would be huge but these days even bettter languages exist. Languages that by design support modern programming concepts, code safety and are performant (Rust, Swift and others come to mind). C should have died off long ago as an open source solution!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Candy View Post

        It doesn't work fine on those machines. I do own one of these machines and Gnome3 is slow as suck (Fedora 28 with nearly everything removed that is not needed). Same applies on the system that my sister runs (i3, HDD, 8gb Ram). I installed Fedora 28 (with all services removed, tracker disabled and all that crap package management running in the bg). Gnome3 stutters, mouse movement stutters. It works! But it's not compareable if I run Xfce4 on the same system (which works fluent).

        Gtk3 is also sluggish slow. I noticed a huge performance loss (in rendering and drawing of widgets). e.g. A lot of popup menus and windows show a black rectangle for around 1 second before anything is drawn on them. Been having this for quite some Fedora releases. This is totally noticable e.g. in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Gtk3) and some other applications. Gtk3 Filechooser takes up to 3 seconds to actually pop up here. Even on the i3 system of my sister.
        At least that was exactly what a gnome dev said and he can't be wrong. Can a gnome dev be wrong?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ebassi View Post
          First of all, and from the bottom of my heart: fuck off. You have zero clue about anything you just said. You should just delete your account.
          I know you are a gnome dev but please try to keep it civil and don't insult people. thnx

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          • #35
            What is it about KDE / QT that it attracts such trolls to their 'cause'? The Gnome camp doesn't seem to be plagued by it. There must be something subliminal in it that draws in people with low self esteem.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by johanb View Post

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Shell
              "GNOME Shell is written in C and JavaScript as a plugin for Mutter."

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutter_(software)
              "Mutter is a window manager initially designed and implemented for the X Window System, and recently has evolved to be a Wayland compositor"
              Thanks for pointing out that to him. Although I'm probably not explaining myself clearly and it's an area I'm not well acquainted with, I sense he is deliberately trying to not understand me.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Candy View Post
                It doesn't work fine on those machines.
                He is talking of Clutter only, not of the whole GNOME DE.

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                • #38
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dkasak View Post
                    What is it about KDE / QT that it attracts such trolls to their 'cause'? The Gnome camp doesn't seem to be plagued by it. There must be something subliminal in it that draws in people with low self esteem.
                    I am asking this myself too. KDE is such a nice Desktop Environment but... oh boy... the community... :/

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                      He is talking of Clutter only, not of the whole GNOME DE.
                      I know! But at the end, the entire experience matters. If something stutters and hangs, then the entire DE is blamed.

                      My Xfce4 installation (stripped Fedora 28) boots 3 times faster into the Desktop from an USB stick, than the Gnome3 installation (on the same stripped Fedora 28 bottom but with Gnome3 rather than Xfce4) on Harddisk from my sisters computer. I have an A-450 APU with 4gb ram and an 64gb USB stick (which I use as system) and she has a i3, 8gb ram and something like a 1tb harddisk.

                      I was able to reduce the total boot time from 2 minutes to 38 seconds (on the system of my sister), by stripping out all the junk that got installed and services that got started). Where I need only around 10 seconds to boot into Xfce4 from USB using the same stripped Fedora 28 system.

                      I know Gnome has a lot of libraries to load, but still doesn't justify this performance loss. You see the mouse, you can move the mouse but GDM takes ages to show up.

                      Once inside GnomeShell you can go out and pick up a coffee to have Gnome3 settle with all the loads and rendering. If you use it instantly then it stutters and flickers but settles after a while.

                      If wonder if this is really necessary...

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