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Originally posted by sandy8925 View Postcybertraveler - Well, unfortunately AMD's GPU drivers are just not as good enough as Intel's and NVIDUA's drivers. There are still few annoying bugs ehre and there, with random GPU hangs, display problems etc. In contrast I've never faced problems with Intel GPU drivers. They're solid and just work.
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Originally posted by timofonic View PostI hate Gnome but their stupid decissions and stubborness. I also hate KDE too. Both should collaborate and share more code, instead NIH crap too.
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Originally posted by PackRat View Postcybertraveler I want an open source solution to work and it does with most things. If you hear me crying like a baby just remember the baby that cries get's fed first.Ubuntu's Lansape is foss? I need proof got a link for the code?
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Originally posted by timofonic View PostAre there a difference? Both companies want to control a market and impose their politics. They are called corporations.
Oracle on the other hand...
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Originally posted by PackRat View Postcybertraveler I want an open source solution to work and it does with most things. If you hear me crying like a baby just remember the baby that cries get's fed first.Ubuntu's Lansape is foss? I need proof got a link for the code?
That link isn't a complete proof that all the parts of the client are Open Source. I'm 99% sure it is Open Source though. Ubuntu is an Open Source desktop. I've never come across a single piece of pre-installed, proprietary software on an Ubuntu desktop in the 10 years I've been playing around with it. Canonical claim it is an Open Source system: https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
Ubuntu is an Open Source operating system.
Regarding wanting an Open Source solution that works. Right now AMD is absolutely the best performance graphics hardware with Open Source drivers. The drivers aren't perfect. The drivers will continue to improve over time though. This is my experience of Open Source. In general everything gets gradually better over time and support is long lasting.
AMD users can reasonably expect their hardware to continue to get better support on GNU/Linux for even as much as a decade into the future.
NVIDIA users should only reasonably expect that their hardware will work the way it does right now on the operating system they're using right now for the tasks they're doing... right now. They cannot reasonably assume that 5 years from now they'll be able to run their hardware on the latest Linux, XOrg and Wayland stacks. They cannot reasonably assume that any game-braking bugs that are found will be ever fixed. This is how it is with proprietary drivers: when the graphics card mfg no longer cares about the hardware because they are not profiting from it, support will diminish. It's worse actually: even while they are making a profit right now, the support can be terrible if you are trying to do something which the vast majority of their customers are not.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who has any issues with NVIDIA drivers on GNU/Linux when they had already been exposed to people like me telling them what problems they will have. AMD users don't need sympathy when they get issues: they just need patches... and those patches will come.
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Originally posted by sandy8925 View Postcybertraveler - Well, unfortunately AMD's GPU drivers are just not as good enough as Intel's and NVIDUA's drivers. There are still few annoying bugs ehre and there, with random GPU hangs, display problems etc. In contrast I've never faced problems with Intel GPU drivers. They're solid and just work.
NVIDIA's proprietary drivers are unacceptable in an Open Source ecosystem. NVIDIA are a burden on the Open Source developers working on Linux, XOrg & Wayland. Please do not support them. They wont even provide us with signed, usable firmware for all their modern cards so we can build our own drivers for their hardware.
If you want to play modern games on GNU/Linux please buy AMD hardware and ideally learn how to document and report driver bugs so the drivers can be improved.
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Originally posted by timofonic View Post
Are there a difference? Both companies want to control a market and impose their politics. They are called corporations.
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Originally posted by PackRat View PostLinux is not mainstream give it up. Microsoft has surface studio and dell canvas both run the software I want to use, Ubuntu can not run Autodesk Maya and Mudbox (runs on centos/rhel), pixologic zbrush win and mac only.
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Having bought things from Richard, and benefited from fwupd, I will tend to side with him on matters such as these. There is no particularly good reason we should be integrating third-party proprietary flashing tools into this system. If System76 is totally okay with something like that that, that's their prerogative, but that doesn't mean it necessarily belongs upstream.
I also second Richard's suggestion of the Dell XPS lineup. They have people dedicated full time to making everything work, they respond promptly to feedback from the community at large, and the machines they start with are already excellent laptops in the first place. If you're buying a laptop to run Linux today, Dell offers by far the best laptop, and Purism offers the purest; System76 seems to offer neither, and I say this as a former customer and (at times) fanboy.Last edited by microcode; 13 May 2018, 01:00 PM.
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