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Originally posted by R41N3R View Post
Correct me, if I'm wrong... but I thought Discover is not a replacement for the package manager, it is there to allow normal users to install from KDE Store, flatpaks, addons... But the issue is, that most people, me included, do not understand the purpose of Discover by just opening the app. And I think that is something that should be fixed.
As a general rule, if a generic application isn't easily usable without fiddling with configuration and/or going to the manual, it is a failure.
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Originally posted by ngraham View Post
What are your complaints about Discover? What can we improve?
Do you think it might be wanted to make Discover support finding packages in the Arch User Repository (AUR) on Arch systems?
I'd be willing to invest some time into that (although not on the short-term) if the developers were okay with it.
Let me describe a use-case I think of:
Discover is meant to be easy to use. It's easy enough for my parents.
On Arch-based systems -- Antergos and Manjaro are easy to use -- you need to use a full-featured package manager like octopi or pamac to install AUR packages from a GUI. This makes the AUR unreachable for not-quite-administrator-qualified people like my parents, since none of these GUI tools are exactly beginner-friendly.
But they'd have no problem updating their system with Discover. But that will ultimately lead to outdated packages for the stuff from the AUR, which is then not updated.
(For anyone thinking, why would I give an Arch-based system to my parents? Finding and adding PPAs is certainly not easier than using the AUR).
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Originally posted by mzs.112000 View Post
The UI is bad, I liked the one from Muon Discover in 14.04, also, in PLasma Discover, there are sometimes bugs where it becomes unresponsive and the screen flickers really fast.Last edited by ngraham; 06 May 2018, 06:15 PM.
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Originally posted by bug77 View Post
Here's what Discover does on Kubuntu 17.10 (with backports): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T0p...ew?usp=sharing
It's not any better in up-to-date Arch.
Originally posted by bug77 View PostWhy on Earth anyone thought it was a good idea to replace one program for another before it reach feature parity is beyond me.
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Originally posted by elvenbone View PostOn Arch-based systems -- Antergos and Manjaro are easy to use -- you need to use a full-featured package manager like octopi or pamac to install AUR packages from a GUI. This makes the AUR unreachable for not-quite-administrator-qualified people like my parents, since none of these GUI tools are exactly beginner-friendly.
But they'd have no problem updating their system with Discover. But that will ultimately lead to outdated packages for the stuff from the AUR, which is then not updated.
(For anyone thinking, why would I give an Arch-based system to my parents? Finding and adding PPAs is certainly not easier than using the AUR).
If packages your parents care about are only available via AUR, that may be a sign that they should be using a distro with a wider selection of software available in the normal repo (or that they need your help and probably always will).
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Originally posted by bug77 View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be able to install something, isn't finding that something a requirement? That is also something that should be fixed.
As a general rule, if a generic application isn't easily usable without fiddling with configuration and/or going to the manual, it is a failure.
Kubuntu 18.04 is really fantastic and I highly recommend upgrading.
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Originally posted by ngraham View Post
It's not a missing feature, it's a bug. Works fine for me with Kubuntu 18.04 BTW: https://i.imgur.com/4pKa7zE.png
Kubuntu 18.04 is really fantastic and I highly recommend upgrading.
This happens also on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (using Discover 5.12.4), it finds what I'm looking for, but then there are buckets of themes and other unrelated stuff. Unless I click FIRST on "applications" and then do the search.
It seems it also tries to update the repos every time I open it, and if it can't do so (I'm using package manager for other stuff) it crashes.
On the positive side, flatpack integration is surprisingly decent, I can click on flathub and it opens on Discover and it can install stuff, which then works (unless it is Steam).
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Originally posted by elvenbone View Post
Hi Nate.
Do you think it might be wanted to make Discover support finding packages in the Arch User Repository (AUR) on Arch systems?
I'd be willing to invest some time into that (although not on the short-term) if the developers were okay with it.
Let me describe a use-case I think of:
Discover is meant to be easy to use. It's easy enough for my parents.
On Arch-based systems -- Antergos and Manjaro are easy to use -- you need to use a full-featured package manager like octopi or pamac to install AUR packages from a GUI. This makes the AUR unreachable for not-quite-administrator-qualified people like my parents, since none of these GUI tools are exactly beginner-friendly.
But they'd have no problem updating their system with Discover. But that will ultimately lead to outdated packages for the stuff from the AUR, which is then not updated.
(For anyone thinking, why would I give an Arch-based system to my parents? Finding and adding PPAs is certainly not easier than using the AUR).
They also deal properly with such additional repos, by default the system does not try to install "whatever is newest amongst all repos", but will keep installing it from the same repositories it came from, so if you add a secondary repo that has a lot of other stuff you don't risk updating half the distro with unstable packages.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostDid you consider OpenSUSE? They have the OBS, which is a similar concept to AUR, but it is integrated with their graphical distro managmeent tool (yast) so you can just click on a link from the OBS site and it will open graphical wizard to add the repo and then install the package.
They also deal properly with such additional repos, by default the system does not try to install "whatever is newest amongst all repos", but will keep installing it from the same repositories it came from, so if you add a secondary repo that has a lot of other stuff you don't risk updating half the distro with unstable packages.
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