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  • #11
    People tend to forget that Google has a long list of projects and services that started as the latest great thing, only to die in obscurity some time later. This Fuchsia can go somewhere? Sure it can. But right now, it is more a research project than a future Linux killer.

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    • #12
      I find this project interesting, though like others have said I don't see Android or Linux going away anytime soon. However it is good to still innovate and try out new things.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by birdie View Post
        I expect it to replace the Linux kernel not only in Android but in desktop Linux as well. And after that the Linux kernel may serve the niche needs of computing devices where microkernel is not welcome.
        I guess it depends a lot on what type license Google uses...
        But for one, i'd much rather see a project like RedoxOS or GNU HURD succeed. Mostly RedoxOS because it's not owned by a corporation with comercial interests and it's written on a programming language that's supported by a company without comercial interests.

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        • #14
          Linux is a GPL project controlled by a global community, and Google can't do anything about that. So here comes Fuchsia, a project licensed by a mix of BSD/MIT/Apache code and directly under Google's dominion. Not at all surprising.

          I think it's pretty obvious that this is mostly about control than anything else. We better prepare ourselves for phones to become even more closed if (when?) Google gets its way.

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          • #15
            It's high time to replace Linux with a modern, safe microkernel. Linux contains too much stuff and has too large attack surface, which makes sandboxing and containers difficult to implement securely. And it contains a lot of concepts - like user accounts - that are not relevant or not flexible enough in some cases - like containers. Microkernel will make it possible to turn them off, limit access, or switch for other implementation on a per-process basis.

            Of course the replacement of the largest and most popular kernel is a giant project, that only the biggest IT companies can manage to do. Fortunately, Google accepted this responsibility.

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            • #16
              Typo:

              Originally posted by phoronix View Post
              it's low-level Magenta core has been renamed to Zircon.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by birdie View Post
                I expect it to replace the Linux kernel not only in Android but in desktop Linux as well. And after that the Linux kernel may serve the niche needs of computing devices where microkernel is not welcome.
                Rampant baseless speculation.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post
                  With Zircon IHVs will have to support 1-2 versions(just like with Windows where this number is 3), while with Linux they have to support close to 12 (currently maintained versions). Guess which kernel they will support more eagerly.
                  FYI: with AMDGPU that is merged with mainline their proprietary driver can track easily the Linux kernel.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by nomadewolf View Post
                    I guess it depends a lot on what type license Google uses...
                    And you even need to ask? It's the usual opensource permissive license (aka closed-source firendly).

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by LEW21 View Post
                      Of course the replacement of the largest and most popular kernel is a giant project, that only the biggest IT companies can manage to do. Fortunately, Google accepted this responsibility.
                      The amount of rampant speculation is rising.

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