I Am Excited About Ubuntu Coming Atop Windows 10

[darkfires]

I'll be excited when MS replaces the NT kernel with Linux and probably just about as equally excited as when they open source the entire OS/NT kernel and provide a clear path to move away from Windows and onto Linux.[/SIZE]

I work at a rather large data center, and I see way more Linux kernel panics and linux oops than I ever do on Windows Server's. Having said that at least it's easier to figure out what the problem is when your average Linux server panics because it will sit there locked up forever until someone hard resets it... I have no clue why they don't make panic=xxx default kernel flag on distros, it would solve that... Especially since most of the kernel panics paste SO much info that all you get to see on the console is the tail end of it, missing most of the useful bits because you can't ctrl-page up since the kernel is locked, and end up needing to use netconsole= parameter and pipe the message over the network to catch it or serial console.

So yeah, I'm definitely happy they don't do that.

[darkfires]

bash /home/user/runguestapp.sh 'Microsoft Edge' 'Guestuser' 'Guestpassword' "/home/user/vmware/Windows 10 x64/Windows 10 x64.vmx" 'explorer.exe shell:AppsFolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe!MicrosoftEdge' '0' '5900'

I will give you some credit for coming up with a more unique solution to that problem than most others, considering WINE is flakey on the best of days. Speaking as someone who started using Linux in 1994 with Slackware 2.0.2 + kernel 1.1.59, and continued using Linux as primary desktop until Win8 was released... I'm quite glad Microsoft finally got to their senses with the new Linux subsystem.

After ~18 yrs of using Linux on the desktop, I don't miss it even the slightest (lack of quality GUI and focused efforts in that area) and have actually moved to FreeBSD for server use, quality of Linux kernel and distros have been going down hill for a long time.

Though I still value the power of unix cli, I have a tabbed terminal program connected to BSD to do all of what I need in that area.

[MartinN]

I Am Excited About Ubuntu Coming Atop Windows 10

I'll be excited when MS replaces the NT kernel with Linux and probably just about as equally excited as when they open source the entire OS/NT kernel and provide a clear path to move away from Windows and onto Linux.

[theriddick]

Wonder how long it will be until MS start claiming some open-source community made stuff as their own because someone forgets to correctly protect their code/project (happens very often).

[jacob]

I admit that I really don't see the point of this. Most of the Linux world's flagship software is available natively for Windows and those products that aren't (Docker, KVM etc.) depend on features and APIs that are specific to the Linux kernel so they won't work under such an emulation layer anyway. They can't even run on BSD...

Incidentally, how will we call this though? Winbuntu? Ubuntu GNU/Windows (presumably RMS' favourite)? Backdoorbuntu?

[Veerappan]

This can be the end of Cygwin. It has caused a lot of problems for me at work.

This is kind of why I'm excited as well. I don't really mind cygwin, but I definitely wouldn't mind being able to build a set of programs for ubuntu (which I do anyway), and then just have them available in windows as well. Most of the stuff that i write is cli applications, and this could make a lot of headaches go away.

[trifud]

This can be the end of Cygwin. It has caused a lot of problems for me at work.

[duby229]

I think you misunderstood my comment, I was refering to https://chocolatey.org/ pointed to by Cthulhux, which is kind of a packaging manager for Windows software with a certain amount of dependency tracking.

I understand that the Ubuntu-on-Windows thingy is an application that provides an Ubuntu environment within Windows. So when I want to use some software that is packaged for the supported Ubuntu version one can install this Ubuntu-on-Windows app and then install and run the packaged software within the environment. As a developer all I would have to care about is to make sure my software is packaged for Ubuntu.

What I'm really wondering though is whether software run within this environment can make use of an X server like xming.

No It doesn't. I'm pretty sure it's just a kernel wrapper. But it's possible MS is working on it though.

[gerddie]

I think what it means is that app developers can pull this as a dependency and they get all the benefits of an ubuntu command line userspace.

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/

*Here, we’re talking about bit-for-bit, checksum-for-checksum Ubuntu ELF binaries running directly in Windows.*

I think you misunderstood my comment, I was refering to https://chocolatey.org/ pointed to by Cthulhux, which is kind of a packaging manager for Windows software with a certain amount of dependency tracking.

I understand that the Ubuntu-on-Windows thingy is an application that provides an Ubuntu environment within Windows. So when I want to use some software that is packaged for the supported Ubuntu version one can install this Ubuntu-on-Windows app and then install and run the packaged software within the environment. As a developer all I would have to care about is to make sure my software is packaged for Ubuntu.

What I'm really wondering though is whether software run within this environment can make use of an X server like xming.

[staggerlee]

I too am very interested to see benchmark results. I am otherwise wary of how this will turn out, and I have a feeling Canonical is going to screw us all over somehow.

I was thinking the same thing..