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  • nasyt
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    For a Server-Linux: Use CentOS.

    Ubuntu Server is a damn brain-damaged choice!

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by Stellarwind View Post
    Endman, you should revisit your own evidence - looking at this links now tells us that BSD is fine and Gentoo lost a thousand sites.
    I'd ignore him, he's well known for throwing in Anti-BSD anywhere he can.

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  • Stellarwind
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    Originally posted by endman View Post
    This also this:
    http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/FreeBSD

    Which shows FreeBSD usage share declining while Linux usage shares are increasing:

    http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/Gentoo-Linux

    The truth is inescapable.
    Endman, you should revisit your own evidence - looking at this links now tells us that BSD is fine and Gentoo lost a thousand sites.

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  • MoonMoon
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    Originally posted by thelongdivider View Post
    Or, alternatively, why not develop software on the linux side?
    People are already doing that. But in the meantime proprietary software, be it games or software needed for work still exist and will not cease to exist just because Linux alternatives exist. Just have a look at GIMP, despite its already quite long history it will still need some time to be ready to replace Photoshop in professional image editing.

    The fact still remains that any OS/software has its use cases and no amount of zealotry or wishful thinking will change that. So best we just agree on: Use what fits your needs, I will do the same.

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  • TiberiusDuval
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    When it comes to operating systems, best one is one that fit for you and task you are going to do. I don't generally understand OS-flamers, be they Windows-diehards, Linux-preachers, or BSD-zealots. I have triplebooting system, Windows 7 for Windows only games, software and so on. Linux(Distro's I use vary) and PC-BSD for more general usage, both have some strong points, and some weak points.

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  • Bwsyd2ton
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    I personally look forward to mixing C# and Qt/QML though.

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  • thelongdivider
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    Originally posted by MoonMoon View Post
    No, we can't. Tell anyone dependent on Windows only software for his work or people playing Windows only games that don't work with Wine how useless their Windows installation is.
    But we could agree if that statement would be: "Can't we just agree that zealots don't matter and that any OS and software has valid use cases?"
    Or, alternatively, why not develop software on the linux side?

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  • MoonMoon
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    Originally posted by thelongdivider View Post
    Can't we all just agree that windows is useless in all deployments? BSD is very good for servers, and some even use it for desktops. I like linux better for both cases, sure, but to each his own (except windows users).
    No, we can't. Tell anyone dependent on Windows only software for his work or people playing Windows only games that don't work with Wine how useless their Windows installation is.
    But we could agree if that statement would be: "Can't we just agree that zealots don't matter and that any OS and software has valid use cases?"

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  • thelongdivider
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    I hate these debates

    Can't we all just agree that windows is useless in all deployments? BSD is very good for servers, and some even use it for desktops. I like linux better for both cases, sure, but to each his own (except windows users).

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  • nasyt
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    Originally posted by System25 View Post
    On side note I can admit that using same OS on server and desktop can be very convenient for developers, QAs and so on. Learning server-only system which can't handle my desktop? IT STINKS. Speaking for myself - I have zero motivation to do it. IMO it is really nice when OS can scale and adapt. This makes knowledge reusable and overall my life is getting easier.
    I can also admit, that it can be convenient. One time, i had to write a Server Application to be deployed on a Heterogenous Cluster, ranging from Windows Server, over Linux and various Unix like things to some weird Alien-Like stuff.

    Originally posted by System25 View Post
    And are there any proof of that? I can see Wikipedia serving whole planet with relatively few servers and most servers seems to be installed for bandwith distribution across planet or to generate dynamic content. Then there is google, facebook and many others. Global, serving whole planet. Some have relatively few servers. You claim they scale poorly? Basically Linux keeps heck a lot of high-profile projects running these days so these mumblings do not seem to correlate well with simple fact everyone can observe in web on their own. And TBH I do not even have idea what is Giganews. Are they at least part of top of 1000 busiest sites? And what was their prob with Linux they can't handle?
    On sites like Wikipedia, some lost connections don't matter. Network problems get usually fixed through firewall/netfilter treaks or throtteling or load-balancers. I had also experienced that a network guy or admin just said something like: "It runs smoothly. Period."

    Giganews is a Usenet provider. They're not listed as "Web sites".

    Originally posted by System25 View Post
    And what is your definition of right? Is it anyhow different from "left"?
    I'm speaking about "right and wrong", not "right and left".

    PS: I admit that 100% of the Internet consists on networking done wrong. But, between ourselves, does anyone cares about that?

    Originally posted by System25 View Post
    I fail to see AIX, HPUX, Thru64 or OSv keeping world-scale projects running. Basically you did very bold claim, but where I can see actual proof?
    AIX, HPUX and Thru64 are too expensive and basically unavailable. I admit, that they behave too alien-like.

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