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  • #61
    Epic slap in the face of BSD nuts. But 100% truth.

    While initial post can cause pain in the rear for BSD fans, I can admit it true.

    To add a bit, BSDs also tend to lack proper package management system and also inclined on "base system" crap up to degree it goes counterproductive and screws everything up, most notably emdedded usage. Then BSD license is a crap when it comes to operating system. One of very first *nix-like machines I used was VPS using FreeBSD. It proven to be pain in the rear! Hard to maintain. Unstable. And best of all: while it has been ages ago, company who implemented this tech proven to be very BSDish in nature, denynig others chances to use and improve this tech. So right now you can see thousands of Linux VPS and VM/cloud things. But virtually no BSD-based ones around, since each and every company using BSD did the same. So now BSDs are sucking at that. But in fact both Linux and BSDs had that VPS containers techs for comparable time. But with drastically different result. BSD licensing is counterproductive and kills OS development. And those who fail to see this are just blind or silly or absolutely inclined being proprietary corps footpads.

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    • #62
      BSD should not die

      Because; it is great competition; spurring forth interesting debate, and great technologies.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by endman View Post
        Which shows FreeBSD usage share declining while Linux usage shares are increasing:
        This will end soon as SmartOS and other Illumos based Server OSes catch up.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by endman View Post
          BSD is not better on servers especially now when virtualization is a must and BSDs have been found time and time again to be slower, less reliable and less robust then Linux or even Windows.

          BSD is not even good for the embedded side as it has very poor scalability and an install with only a partial base system is already too bloated and slow compared to a full desktop Linux install.

          Best regards
          endman
          LinSUX anyway. Long live OpenSolaris.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by nasyt View Post
            LinSUX anyway. Long live OpenSolaris.
            OpenSUXlaris anyway. Long live typewriter.

            Tis - my 999 post. Epic.

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            • #66
              --LOL--

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              • #67
                Originally posted by nasyt View Post
                LinSUX anyway. Long live OpenSolaris.
                Isn't it shameful when something sucks even when compared to suckers? That's what your solaris and BSD crap does when compared to Linux

                You see, Linux supports more hardware, there're larger communities and as the result there are loads of software as well. Who would write drivers for new hardware? Who would package thousands of programs? Do you honestly think OS can be value on its own, regardelss of these issues? Somehow, Oracle literally killed Solaris. Sun did it wrong when releasing source under CDDL and too late. But then it maybe had some chances. But Oracle finished it, without mercy. From what I can see, there're no communities around solaris who will be considered as some serious force which can compete on par with others. Say thanks to Sun for being stubborn and Oracle for helping it to finally die. And those who rely on system with a single vendor really deserve their sad fates.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  Isn't it shameful when something sucks even when compared to suckers? That's what your solaris and BSD crap does when compared to Linux
                  Its not "my" solaris and BSD crap, becaus i'm not using this eigher

                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  Do you honestly think OS can be value on its own, regardelss of these issues?
                  Nope.

                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  You see, Linux supports more hardware,
                  True for Multimedia Hardware, sure.

                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  there're larger communities and as the result there are loads of software as well.
                  As of the total amount of Software (i believe) there is more software out there for the End user/Desktop than for server purposes.

                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  Who would write drivers for new hardware?
                  Ok, thats a real problem.

                  Originally posted by System25 View Post
                  Who would package thousands of programs?
                  As there are created so called Distributions from Open Source technology, and this model translated to other kernels would result in the reuse of packages for many different kernels. Builds could also be automatted.


                  As of Linux.

                  The Network Stack of Linux (a commonly known issue) is the cause of certain types of Internet (Giganews for example) services to be either Powered by non-Linux OSs or compensated by massive scale-outs.

                  Are there Operating Systems that do tcp ip right?

                  The proprietary AIX, HPUX, Thru64 do

                  OSv does
                  Plan9 does

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                  • #69
                    btw. OpenVMS also does tcp ip right.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by endman View Post
                      BSD commandline tools suck worst then UNIX. It can't compete with GNU.

                      GNU tools were designed to way outperform UNIX tools. Actually, GNU tools are used in both Mac OS X and Solaris because their own commandline and BSD tools were incapable of meeting users needs.
                      The should use "Plan9 from user space". Better.

                      ?if it sucks, port it to more platforms? ? aiju

                      ?In GNU utils, incompatible features and extensions are a feature, not a bug.? ? james2vegas in Hacker News

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