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Originally posted by RealNC View PostThis is the delusion Michael mentions. It's not "superior." It's a different design philosophy. Windows does not put drivers in the kernel. Windows does not force you to install a new kernel just to update one driver. The Windows way of dealing with drivers is superior to Linux from the user perspective. The Linux way of dealing with drivers is superior from the kernel developer perspective. Linux does not provide a driver ABI like Windows does because it's too much work to maintain that ABI. Windows does shy away from that work because we *pay* them. They get paid to work and satisfy our demands. You can't *demand* anything from Linux kernel developers. You aren't paying them.
And you must be dense, since he didn't say he can't get it to work. He said he can't get it to work with all his hardware working correctly. I believe him, since countless times I installed Linux on various machines only to have stuff like not getting any sound, plugging-in a USB microphone doing nothing and graphics drivers not supporting accelerated 3D or desktop effects.
I'm dense for not believing him? His story sounds like he may of gave it a go once or twice but to never have it work on the first try? I can't believe that and you shouldn't defend him just to troll unless you're some champion of Gabe's character , shut it. Eh with the 3D stuff I concede there is a rage of potential pitfalls but my experience has been somewhat easy since I don't use wasteful desktop effects using my computer for work and all.
I don't see anything about Windows 8 in your post you shouldn't troll.
I really think Windows 7 is going to be around for a LONG time I think 8 is going to be more of a tablet thing. M$ probably thinks so as well considering the extension in support and the half hearted metro/classic integration.Last edited by nightmarex; 04 May 2012, 12:52 PM.
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"Second nature"???
Originally posted by kazetsukai View PostFor me, its second nature...
The important thing to take away is the "FOR ME" aspect. We all get used to our little daily drills and and yet to others they are mystifying.
For example my wife is a musician and she records her own music all the time and she would not find your configuration of PCI and USB devices to be "second nature"
Microsoft proves once again that their slogan is "where do you want to be taken today"? Life is grand if you fit into their "use-case scenarios", but if you deviate from their script then you find yourself in the ditch.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostLinux does not *have* a driver ABI. There's nothing to keep stable; it doesn't exist to begin with. It's been discussed in the past already, and the reason given is that it's too big of a maintenance burden to introduce an ABI.
Linux customers of Read Hat don't care about this stuff; they not multimedia/desktop people. Those of Canonical don't either, since they only ship pre-installed Linux on laptops.
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The only way I got used to using GNOME 3 Shell was by forcing myself to learn the keyboard shortcuts -- and I found I'm more efficient than before. I wonder if it's possible the Metro UI is the same way? That's just wishful thinking, probably... but I really appreciate keyboard shortcuts.
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Originally posted by siride View PostThis last paragraph is kind of ridiculous. Yes, ancient versions of Windows don't work well with modern devices. The same is true of Linux. Try installing Linux from 2001 on a modern laptop and see how well that works.
Secondly, I've found that most of my software *does* work just fine on Windows 7, even 64 bit.
That's not really true for Linux. We never notice because we always just install software from the repos. You can't take binaries, or installers from 2001 and have them work on modern Linux. It's DOA.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostI have yet to see a multimedia/gamer/desktop user buying $8000 enterprise support :-P
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2
Ubuntu support is much cheaper. :-P
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Originally posted by kernelOfTruth View Postanyone who had windows 8 installed tried to copy over around 10+ GB of data from one partition to another (or different harddrive) ?
when doing this with windows 7 all multi-tasking comes to a grinding halt
it may have been firefox' issue but I doubt that, would be interesting if they improved the i/o scheduler, too or again only some minor changes here and there and lots of publicity
at least next time I'll try it with chrome but I doubt that this would make a difference
Now, admittedly, I am running a SSD as my boot, OS, and applications drive. This may be making a difference. If you're running a Western Digital Green or something else like that, or really, any laptop drive, then well...
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Originally posted by e8hffff View PostYou should have kept this review till they shipped so that Microsoft doesn't have time to work over Metro after negative aura.
It's understandable that drivers work better on Microsoft as vendors with old mindsets are jumping hurdles for them, where on Linux coders have to beg for support from these same vendors. Anyway, those vendors that don't come to Linux will be shunned and lose out in long run.
Understanding Metro is to see Microsoft's desperation to cut into the mobile market, which they currently are crippled in, therefore they are forcing users to experience their mobile systems in hope of adoption. I can't see them succeeding. Microsoft is simply on the nose and people are leaving them in droves.
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