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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by uid313 View Post

    While I do use Linux at home, I use Windows at work and I really like it, I think it is a great operating system and I am happy with it.
    I don't strongly prefer Windows over Linux or vice versa, I am quite content with both.

    I think the reason I still use Linux is that it is free and open source, else I would probably just have used Windows at home too.
    And to answer your original question in this thread: BSD users are not "moving to Linux" because we dont really like Linux all that much for one or other reason. It maybe be free and whatnot but it has shortcomings we dont need to deal with on BSD.

    From my POV for example: I can do everything I wanted to do in Linux on FreeBSD in a similar way or better. Without putting up its systemd, haphazard ducttaped nature, messy filesystem structures, weird surprises after updates, hangings on shutdown, reliance on GUI-driven configs - which make configuring options beyond the scope of said GUIs impossible because fucking utilities keep overwriting those configs, having to re-learn how to configure shit every 6 months because shit gets changed when some upstream asshole gets "another bright idea" how to redesign simple wheel... list goes on and on up to slowly creeping-in commercial telemetry. ONLY thing I need from Linux is DRM and that I can get to FreeBSD by just dropping whole Linux distro into jail.
    Hardware support ain't an issue. After I install my base OS, I will set it up how I like it and no more or no less - I dont depend on the whims of distributors and my OS stays CLEAN, lean and mean.

    I game on Windows, wouldnt bother doing it on Linux anyway.
    Last edited by aht0; 19 August 2022, 01:41 PM.

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  • uid313
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    Originally posted by aht0 View Post

    Why dont ya move to Windows instead?
    While I do use Linux at home, I use Windows at work and I really like it, I think it is a great operating system and I am happy with it.
    I don't strongly prefer Windows over Linux or vice versa, I am quite content with both.

    I think the reason I still use Linux is that it is free and open source, else I would probably just have used Windows at home too.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    Sure Netflix uses it, not because it is better though but simply because they do not want to share code back. Which they don't, which is not a win for FreeBSD either.



    FreeBSD was founded 1993, Linux was founded 1991. You could argue that the Berkley Software Distribution is older, it sure is, but its not FreeBSD. The first time the Berkley Software Distribution was 100% free of "Unix" code was around 1995.
    Netflix is one of the biggest FreeBSD code contributors and sponsors.

    They have also stated that reason they chose FreeBSD is simply better performance, equivalent of they could not achieve testing out Linux boxes in file server role. Plain and simple, google for it, its pretty easy to find.

    Due court battles BSD development was held up significantly, that gave Linux initial traction. Users couldnt be sure whats gonna happen with BSD, so until 1994 Linux was felt as "safer" choice. I might be off by year but cant be arsed to check. Linus has stated tho that had there been free BSD variant available at the time, he would not have even started with Linux.

    Im sick as hell from noobs who keep bashing FreeBSD. "BSD sucks because x,y,z" then at some point that wannabe would admit that he has either never used or barely looked at it. But they sure as hell sneer and whoop as they have 20y under their belt with Linux and BSD both along with commit-rights. Such experts, lol.
    Last edited by aht0; 11 August 2022, 02:04 PM.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    Why don't they just move to Linux instead?
    Why dont ya move to Windows instead?

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  • Volta
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    Originally posted by Classical View Post
    I can't say for any Linux system that your session can never crash completely. I can say that FreeBSD has never completely crashed in over 5 years with daily and active use.
    I'm using Linux for more than 20 years and only crashes I had were due to hardware. I'm not counting experimental software like bleeding edge graphic drivers. I've been using FreeBSD for some little time, because I have no single reason to use it instead of Linux.

    This is mainly about the file system: Which is more stable and more robust, FreeBSD or Linux? https://www.quora.com/Which-is-more-...eeBSD-or-Linux
    Too bad the one from quoted site doesn't have clue about Linux file systems. He acknowledges ext3 was ok, but he had some problems with ext4. I bet those are early days of ext4 or he doesn't know he can switch ext4 modes. Opposite experience:

    https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/f...n-crash.30683/

    So the question I have is: is this "just the way it has to be" when running FreeBSD on UFS, or are there tricks to avoid this from happening? Is UFS really that fragile when it come to unclean shutdowns?
    I understand that data can be lost, but when different files all over the FS get messed up (when they haven't been edited recently) is a bit annoying and unexpected. I've never experienced anything similar on Linux, but I might've just been lucky.
    FreeBSD is pretty much the absolute pinnacle of reliability, stability and robustness.
    FreeBSD is far from it. It's only tested on limited hardware, lacks many features of modern OSes (servers included), it's one of the least secure OSes and doesn't come even close to Linux performance. Even Apple is not using it on their servers.. Furthermore, the FreeBSD foundation achieved only 11% if their goal: $158,184 USD of its 1,400,000. It seems it's losing interest.
    Last edited by Volta; 11 August 2022, 11:05 AM.

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  • Classical
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    Originally posted by Volta View Post

    Yeah, right. Many will tell you opposite. Linux is much more tested than FreeBSD has ever been.
    You always do this, when something positive is said about FreeBSD, you always come to question it and say how good Linux is. But I really wonder, how much experience do you have with both systems. I have used Linux as a daily driver myself for over 10 years and now I have been using FreeBSD as a daily driver for 5 years. I can't say for any Linux system that your session can never crash completely. I can say that FreeBSD has never completely crashed in over 5 years with daily and active use.

    This is mainly about the file system: Which is more stable and more robust, FreeBSD or Linux? https://www.quora.com/Which-is-more-...eeBSD-or-Linux

    I would like to say that pkg is also more reliable than apt from Ubuntu. I'm not going to say that no operating system is more stable and reliable than FreeBSD. I'm just saying that this is a very difficult task to accomplish. FreeBSD is pretty much the absolute pinnacle of reliability, stability and robustness.

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  • darkoverlordofdata
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    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    FreeBSD was founded 1993, Linux was founded 1991. You could argue that the Berkley Software Distribution is older, it sure is, but its not FreeBSD. The first time the Berkley Software Distribution was 100% free of "Unix" code was around 1995.

    Thanks for correcting my memory. I was thinking of my old MicroVaxII running on BSD back in the 80's.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by Volta View Post

    The same reason Linux doesn't move to C64.
    That wasn't my point.

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  • arQon
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    Originally posted by darkoverlordofdata View Post
    Most FreeBSD (Unix) usage is corporate - for example, Netflix uses it.
    Just gonna point out here that Facebook - a company worth over *half a billion dollars* - provided nearly 1/3 of FreeBSD's funding for the year. A whopping *$50K* of it. Be still, my beating heart...

    IDK how many BSD servers FB runs, but that's not even close to a year's salary for a single entry-level webmonkey in the Bay Area, let alone a developer, let alone a whole group of them that write your damn OS! And yet, it's *still* more than Netflix did.

    Gotta love how all these megacorps take from FOSS and give literally nothing back, to the point where "only" giving *effectively* nothing back is still better... :/

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  • Volta
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    Originally posted by brad0 View Post

    Why don't Linux users just go and use Windows?
    Because of simple and smart reason Open Source (in its best - GPL) vs proprietary spying trash.

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