Windows 11 WSL2 Performance Is Quite Competitive Against Ubuntu 20.04 LTS / Ubuntu 21.10

[leo_sk]

Pray tell in what way using NVIDIA video cards prevents you from using Linux? NVIDIA had a Linux driver long before ATI did and the open source Nouveau driver isn't all that bad.

Using nvidia just makes one susceptible to minor bugs, especially in wayland. Also, as of now, hardware video acceleration on browsers is kind of miss. Its just that the experience isn't as seamless as intel and amd, but if someone is very dedicated to use linux, he can solve them (or ignore them).
Its just that for the discussion being held, nvidia didn't provide the quality necessary. A couple of driver releases later, i think it may not be the odd one out anymore

[reba]

Congrats, you are playing one Windows based game using a framework designed to "mimic" (because WINE is not an emulator, lol) the very closed source proprietary OS that you seem to hate.

Makes perfect sense.

Yes, exactly. It makes perfect sense.
I am playing one Windows based game using a framework designed to mimic the very closed source proprietary OS that I still use at work (and all my colleauges in the team use Linux at home and moan about how cumbersome all the Windows tools and programs are for their daily work but corporate rules make them use it).

Being able to run a program that is not designed for the platform with a (not) emulator is great.
Because: I get to use the program / game I want or need to run - without the OS that it is usually run on.
In a sane world this might look weird (aside from emulating hardware that's not available readily anymore) but reality is weird.
Because the OS the program / game was designed for is just not only the program launcher but also so much more in this case.
Like: license costs, account binding, Cortana, telemetry, cloud based user data and profiles, non-replaceable and cumbersome UI/UX, broken updates, unreliable patches sometimes bringing in more problems than fixing, non-modularity, no package management, non-configurability of (pre-) installed apps, etc etc.

If I could choose between "Star Citizen + Wine + Linux" or "Star citizen + Windows + Cortana + Telemetry + ...." then, yes, I happily choose the "emulator way".
Even though, and in this case, especially, because the program was designed for a Windows OS.

[timofonic]

> I don't need articles to tell me i can't use desktop linux
My lord, your ignorance is bigger than our Solar System.
Who cares about you? We are talking about linux as a Windows/Mac Desktop alternative for 90+% of people who are not IT specialists.

> I have been using linux on desktop for more than 10 years, and exclusively linux for last 4
I used linux exclusevely on all my laptops/desktops for 10 years

> Only case one wouldn't be able to daily drive linux (except requiring windows/mac os specific software) is if one either uses nvidia or is an idiot
Am I right, saying, that according to your opinion, the vast majority of people are idiots?

Yes, you finally understood it. The vast majority in people in the world are idiots, it's a scientifical fact.

Thanks for astroturfing Microsoft software, ten year Linux user. You are a great competitor at the dick size contest. Meanwhile, other nerds might use Linux since earlier, but you are our prophet :*

[blacknova]

blacknova,

You do realize that Windows fails miserably as a server OS?

You do realize I was talking about desktops? And even than I'm pretty sure no one sane would try to deploy AD on Linux server and that is lot of offices, I'm not saying it is impossible just stupid waste of time (and money).

That a lot of people who worked only with home installations or very simple non-domain office do not realize is that Windows OSes in AD and out of AD are very different beasts. A lot of issues people have with home system do not exists in correctly configured domain. Users cannot wreck system by installing some shit, cause they cannot install shit, hell if necessary they can be limited to run only explicitly allowed applications.

And yes, I know you can use some directory services server on Linux, but they still quite subpar to Windows Server's AD and not integrate as nicely. Windows dominate in business world for a good reasons.

[mozo]

I do not believe this for a minute!

There is no way you moved 30 people that use MS Office every day, along with any other closed source, proprietary software, to Linux, and associated open source "equivalents" and not only did no one complain but they also brought their home pc's for you to vandalize.

I would have fired you in a minute for even suggesting such a thing, you are basically claiming that you wasted 30 plus Windows licenses to install a half-assed "alternative" that lacks even a basic decent office suite, and sorry, but LibreOffice and the like just don't cut it.

I will be blunt, you are a liar and a poor one at that.

Believe or not, It's your problem at all. Everybody is using Office 365, and LibreOffice as a local office solution as a standard way before I migrate them, so there are no technical problems. The other software that was used on Windows was Greenshot, Teams, Evernote, etc. As a Greenshot alternative I installed Ksnip and Flameshot. Ksnip is way better than Greenshot, you can check. Three people are using PowerBi from time to time and I have installed it in a VM. The single problem was the SVN client for all of them are using Turtoise but I substitute it with RabbitVCS. Yeah, it's not perfect but it's a working solution. After the migration all my problems are gone. There isn't a single problem, everything just works. Yep, the licenses are useless now but nobody cares anymore for everything is running very smooth. The main target is to get work done and if it's without the neverending Windows problems, the better. Actually all my three bosses are IT guys - developers. They understand very well all the benefits I bring to the company, be assured, so there's no need to fire me. I invested a lot of time and work and everything is working as intended. I'm working at Kanbanize. You can call my boss to fire me

And installing Linux over Windows is not "to vandalize" PC. It's an upgrade

[mozo]

You did no such thing, at my last job migrating people from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was a nightmare, with numerous managers and directors and employees complaining and legacy software that could not be installed on 64bit OSes because it used a 16bit installer.

No joke, it took the better part of a year to migrate everyone to Win 10 and some systems still had not been migrated when I left.

And you "migrated over 300 people to Linux" and no one hit you over the head with a computer?

Not bloody likely.

Not work PC but friends and their friends. I'm hardcore Linux user and I migrate everybody in my area. It's often hard to convince people but I will never tire to explain it to people like ELI5. Hell, even my 70 year old parents are using Linux for 7 years without any problems. All my friends are with Linux because of me. It took me years but now they are happy and I'm extremely happy too. Yes it's time consuming sometimes and there's a lot of efforts. For example it was very hard to convince one of my friends and what is worse, he like the ugly Windows 10 UI a lot. After 14 hours of hard work I created this for him:

https://i.imgur.com/0GkOviJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/nji2qoV.png

https://i.imgur.com/mLU9t12.png

And now he is a happy Linux user too. Yes, it was a nightmare to install all of this games in a single run but it was worth it when I saw his face

[HEL88]

Hell, even my 70 year old parents are using Linux for 7 years without any problems.

If you have plenty of time, grandson interested in IT, and any system requirements (only browser) - yes, linux is for you

[sophisticles]

I just want to point out to the people that claim Windows is not suited for server use that the Windows NT kernel was influenced heavily by BSD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

[lacek]

And those who say its not ready for desktop use either must use some unheard distro or some unheard DE. Only thing that may limit desktop use is the lack of commercial software like adobe and office,

Desktop does not mean "showing windows" but it is a package: GUI, everyday work, ability to use hardware beyond keyboard and mouse: printing, scanning, wireless, access to NAS, cooperation with computers of other people, no matter what OS they use. And this all should be not only "possible" but "covenient" and "ergonomic".

Using windows is for desktop for personal uses may be possible, but it requires a serious research prior to purchasing of any hardware. There are also issues like "quirks" which are necessary for certain hardware to work. And for some hardware which has little to no alternative (hardware security tokens/cards from bank/government...) there are no drivers. There are also issues where hardware vendor promises that hardware is compliant withsome open standard, but in fact they tested it just with the Windows implementation of driver, which has some non-standard features. Like UVC in cameras.

For work it all depends on the employer. I am very very pleased that I type in LaTeX and write code that is run only on Linux PCs / Linux clusters.

I would say 1% makes sense, as most people are happy with Windows, they do not do console work. They do not write bash scripts to organize photos they have just downloaded from a SD card, they have Adobe Lightroom for that. Also games run well on Windows. Why would they switch to Linux? Data privacy argument is too abstract to be taken seriously except for a small (1%) minority.


And I agree that WSL provides yet another way to stick to Windows.

[lacek]

I just want to point out to the people that claim Windows is not suited for server use that the Windows NT kernel was influenced heavily by BSD

Which proves absolutely nothing.