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  • #11
    One major change -- the free stand alone Hyper-V 2022 quietly disappears as a separate product.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

      https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2...er-survey.html
      https://w3techs.com/technologies/ove...erating_system

      Really I am not that sure that Microsoft still holds 25% There is for sure a downwards trend in Microsoft Windows usage in servers. The numbers say somewhere between 10% and 25% with more of the stats numbers being closer to 10 percent for Windows.
      Webservers are not the only servers in town. There are lots of enterprises running MS SQL, Exchange. Since they usually run Windows on desktop they more or less also have to run at least one Windows server as AD, which means that they just as well can run one more for Exchange and one more for Sharepoint and the train is on (since we already have to have in-house expertise on Windows server for those reasons then we just as well run every other server on Windows as well).

      If anything MS did know back in the 80:ies how important it would be for them to get a monopoly on the desktop and what it would mean for them in the server space. Which is why it's so foolish to just brush of the "but they only did the bad things back then" because they still reap the benefits of their old predatory behaviour (not saying that this is your position, it just had to be said).

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      • #13
        Originally posted by F.Ultra View Post
        Webservers are not the only servers in town. There are lots of enterprises running MS SQL, Exchange. Since they usually run Windows on desktop they more or less also have to run at least one Windows server as AD, which means that they just as well can run one more for Exchange and one more for Sharepoint and the train is on (since we already have to have in-house expertise on Windows server for those reasons then we just as well run every other server on Windows as well).
        Except this has also changed. https://pnet.com.au/exchange-server-vs-office-365/
        https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/se...ive-directory/

        F.Ultra the reality is azure cloud services have got rid of a lot of windows servers in business for what you described. Yes Azure has not deployed as many servers as the cloud service has removed that used to AD, MS SQL and Exchange.

        Yes when you look out side web you also see that Microsoft may not be 25% of the market in servers any more. Different things Microsoft has done has reduced their numbers.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by onlyLinuxLuvUBack View Post

          there are plenty of IT clowns in the US willing to bend over and lick the boots of windows at the drop of a hat.
          In the Netherlands too.

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          • #15
            A funny thing at the company I work for is that there is a 50/50 split between Windows Server and Linux servers that runs our customers services. It's around 2000 servers. Our workforce however, consist of 80/20, Windows/Linux-technicans..

            I still wonder when the Windows-customers will start to ask if we can save them a license or two, or if MS SQL is really the only database in the world?
            Then I'm reminded once again of Active Directory and that the customers users got Windows on their computers, even if they only work with one application, which very well could be run in a browser.
            Last edited by oztmorf; 03 September 2021, 03:42 AM. Reason: spelling and grammar

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            • #16
              Simple fact is AD / GPO is pretty easy to use, very stable and well understood by a huge amount of sys admins meaning staffing is easier. If there are alternative products that meet the brief then they need far more publicity!

              Not to mention the amount of software houses which develop for a windows environment only.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

                Except this has also changed. https://pnet.com.au/exchange-server-vs-office-365/
                https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/se...ive-directory/

                F.Ultra the reality is azure cloud services have got rid of a lot of windows servers in business for what you described. Yes Azure has not deployed as many servers as the cloud service has removed that used to AD, MS SQL and Exchange.

                Yes when you look out side web you also see that Microsoft may not be 25% of the market in servers any more. Different things Microsoft has done has reduced their numbers.
                Well all I can say is that so far not a single one of our customers that use the Windows version of our applications/services have asked about the Linux variants, new customers seem to have a higher chance of asking for Linux (at least it feels that way) but the old ones have not converted. This in the financial sector.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by NathanG View Post
                  Simple fact is AD / GPO is pretty easy to use, very stable and well understood by a huge amount of sys admins meaning staffing is easier. If there are alternative products that meet the brief then they need far more publicity!

                  Not to mention the amount of software houses which develop for a windows environment only.
                  Not to mention that as a developer you can get "fancy" Microsoft certifications and attend various courses to keep up with new features. Never gonna see that happen with say Gentoo or Debian.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by F.Ultra View Post
                    Well all I can say is that so far not a single one of our customers that use the Windows version of our applications/services have asked about the Linux variants, new customers seem to have a higher chance of asking for Linux (at least it feels that way) but the old ones have not converted. This in the financial sector.
                    There is a catch here. As oztmorf mentioned for number of system under control of 1 admin the Linux administrators normally operate at a higher number.

                    Having worked as Linux admin a lot I can tell you there are a lot of cases a legacy application will be run in a Windows virtual machine only to be replaced. So old ones not asking about Linux version could be a sign of problem.

                    Please remember just because you can see active directory does not mean the company is running a windows server for it. The most common reason for a person like me to be running a windows server is WSUS yes that is right to manage windows update system because windows is a jackass for screwing itself up and to control this you need to be able to blacklist updates.

                    Originally posted by F.Ultra View Post
                    Not to mention that as a developer you can get "fancy" Microsoft certifications and attend various courses to keep up with new features. Never gonna see that happen with say Gentoo or Debian.
                    https://training.linuxfoundation.org/full-catalog/
                    Except that does happen with Linux. You can do courses to keep up on the new features with Linux. Gets really expensive really quickly.

                    Yes the Linux courses don't focus on a particular distribution of Linux in most cases. This is the same reason why most of Microsoft courses don't focus on all the different windows versions instead does Windows generically.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by onlyLinuxLuvUBack View Post

                      there are plenty of IT clowns in the US willing to bend over and lick the boots of windows at the drop of a hat.
                      Is that so different from selling one's self out to corporate "sugar daddies" in exchange for body lifts?

                      Recall who does most Linux shaping these days before sneering about "licking boots". It may be insulting but once you are willing to be insulting, no moral quandary when it comes to pointing at log in your own eye.

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