DragonFlyBSD 6.0 Performance Is Looking Great - Initial Benchmarks

[Vistaus]

Well, now, after AmigaOS is... irrelevant... Yeah... Why not?

I don't agree that it's irrelevant. And mind you: I'm a young Amiga user that didn't even grow up with Amiga's. IMHO AmigaOS 4 is a wonderful desktop with many modern features (including, but not limited to, an update manager, native Qt support and nested X server support and an app store). I love using it.

Saying AmigaOS is irrelevant is like saying Linux Desktop is irrelevant 'cause Linux desktop never took off and we're still waiting for the Year of Linux Desktop. Or that SailfishOS is irrelevant 'cause it failed to gain traction against the mighty Android and iOS. Hell, we're still waiting for macOS to overtake Windows market share, but even macOS's market share has failed to even grow beyond 10% and currently it's at about 7% and even dropping. Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant, right?

[Steffo]

I don't agree that it's irrelevant. And mind you: I'm a young Amiga user that didn't even grow up with Amiga's. IMHO AmigaOS 4 is a wonderful desktop with many modern features (including, but not limited to, an update manager, native Qt support and nested X server support and an app store). I love using it.

What can you actually do productive? With Linux you can actually work productive. Of course in certain areas more and in other less.

Saying AmigaOS is irrelevant is like saying Linux Desktop is irrelevant 'cause Linux desktop never took off and we're still waiting for the Year of Linux Desktop.

I'm saying that AmigaOS is in general irrelevant. Linux has not only a much better desktop support, but is works from embedded till super computers.

Or that SailfishOS is irrelevant 'cause it failed to gain traction against the mighty Android and iOS.

Yes, SailfishOS is irrelevant. I don't know a single person, which uses it. Is there any single application explicitly written for SailfishOS?
I would rather bet on RedoxOS than on SailfishOS or AmigaOS.

Hell, we're still waiting for macOS to overtake Windows market share, but even macOS's market share has failed to even grow beyond 10% and currently it's way at about 7% and even dropping. Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant, right?

You can actually do productive work with macOS. It is relevant in the business and of course there are not many out there which own a Mac, because it's like owning a premium car. - Not many can afford this.

[aht0]

What can you actually do productive? With Linux you can actually work productive. Of course in certain areas more and in other less.


I'm saying that AmigaOS is in general irrelevant. Linux has not only a much better desktop support, but is works from embedded till super computers.


Yes, SailfishOS is irrelevant. I don't know a single person, which uses it. Is there any single application explicitly written for SailfishOS?
I would rather bet on RedoxOS than on SailfishOS or AmigaOS.

You can actually do productive work with macOS. It is relevant in the business and of course there are not many out there which own a Mac, because it's like owning a premium car. - Not many can afford this.

He has point tho you ignore. From many users point of view, linux is utterly irrelevant. Windows fits "their use case" and "they dont know anyone not using windows".. Before you start arguing, it's analogous to your own argument of "I dont know anyone using amiga".

Argument of "relevant" nor "non-relevant" itself is kindergarden-level bullshit trotted out by fanboys trying to hype their favourite item of interest. It's ..irrelevant - because it's utterly subjective topic. Use what you like and let others do same. While without acting as a cross of judge and lobbyst.. too much of this immature bs is happening in moronix.

[Steffo]

He has point tho you ignore. From many users point of view, linux is utterly irrelevant. Windows fits "their use case" and "they dont know anyone not using windows".. Before you start arguing, it's analogous to your own argument of "I dont know anyone using amiga".

No, everyone is using Linux! Maybe as Android, maybe as embedded device in routers or as a service like streaming. Linux is for everyone relevant!

[jacob]

The cost varies wildly among systems. It's extremely costly on Linux, way lighter on Dragonfly and AmigaOS, and almost free on seL4.

On AmigaOS there was no memory protection, that's why it was fast. But AmigaOS still suffered from priority inversion issues. On Dragonfly it's only used in-kernel AFAIK, where it's cheap (and so it is on Linux)

[ayumu]

On AmigaOS there was no memory protection, that's why it was fast. But AmigaOS still suffered from priority inversion issues. On Dragonfly it's only used in-kernel AFAIK, where it's cheap (and so it is on Linux)

Don't ignore seL4. That's not "in-kernel" IPC, and it is an order of magnitude (no kidding) faster than Linux's, to the point where even if a multi-server architecture system built with seL4 was doing hundreds of times more IPC than Linux, the aggregated overhead of all the IPC would still be lower than Linux's.

[danmcgrew]

...Glad to see a project that captures some of the thinking that the Amiga community was so known for.

It never ceases to amaze me that only one comment (and #2, in the queue)...ONE!...can completely derail (up to sixteen comments, currently) what should have been a commentary on a very topical and extremely interesting subject, and one which Michael Larabel offered with the loftiest of intentions: education and enlightenment regarding DragonFly BSD ("...Yes, SailfishOS is irrelevant. I don't know a single person, which [sic] uses it..." Need any further examples?).

It'll be interesting to see how the Raspberry Pi fanbois contingent gets in their two cents' worth.

[waxhead]

Could you elaborate this statement?

Sure thing... unless I am mistaking the SLAB memory allocator that was backported from DragonflyBSD to FreeBSD was based uppon the concepts of the Amiga. And as other have said the IPC in kernel as well as some caching mechanisms inspired either by the Amiga OS itself or some program that was run on Amiga.

Other than that Mathew Dillon wrote the DICE C compiler for the Amiga which means that he (probably) has some knowledge about the Amiga exec.library, the RKRM (rom kernel reference manuals) and perhaps also some of the various filesystems that was used on the Amiga such as pfs, amifilesafe, etc... He is probably also familiar with how gadtools.library and intuition.library worked. There are lots of concepts on the Amiga that ANY reasonably technical Amiga user should be familiar with. Something as stupidly simple as "save", "use" and "cancel" for most preferences, and knowledge about how settings are "used" in ram and saved to disk is wonderful simple thinking. Again any technical minded Amiga user will understand as they got lots of good concepts with the "mother milk" of computing.

While Amiga is commonly mistaken for being "just a friend" it is really a mother that gives you the good teachings in life, or at best a friend with benefits that introduce you to a wonderful world you only dreamed of. Having used and programmed on an Amiga really says a lot. There was a special bond back then between Amiga users that only Amiga users know and understand. I guess similar bonds where for Atari, Spectrum and <insert your favorite system here> users as well, but we knew that our little machine was really something special. Sort of like the girl that was your first true love, never forgotten and still with you in the back your mind even if you learned that certain keys are in different places now...

[waxhead]

It never ceases to amaze me that only one comment (and #2, in the queue)...ONE!...can completely derail (up to sixteen comments, currently) what should have been a commentary on a very topical and extremely interesting subject, and one which Michael Larabel offered with the loftiest of intentions: education and enlightenment regarding DragonFly BSD ("...Yes, SailfishOS is irrelevant. I don't know a single person, which [sic] uses it..." Need any further examples?).

It'll be interesting to see how the Raspberry Pi fanbois contingent gets in their two cents' worth.

Derailed... maybe, but still not that far off the track. There are interesting discussions coming out of this and a discussion about usage may even be relevant for DragonflyBSD. Just perhaps some of the comments above (such as Vistatus' comment) will inspire someone to try DragonflyBSD for the first time. Not exactly on spot on for the topic, but really not that off topic either. Perhaps they will be more interested in performance numbers later.

Anyway ... I am off to download the latest DragonflyBSD and try it out.

[Steffo]

waxhead
Nice response, thx!