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    Phoronix: BeOS-Inspired Haiku Making Progress On ARM, Various Kernel Improvements

    Just last week marked the one year anniversary since shipping the Haiku R1 beta release for this BeOS-inspired open-source operating system. The developers remain though as busy as ever with advancing this interesting open-source project...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...September-2019

  • coder
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    I found it here. I was talking about the 3235 (12 core) and not the 3275 (28 core); just trying to compare their current high end with a similar CPU from the new gen.
    Ah.

    FWIW, I think this is the new baseline CPU: https://www.provantage.com/intel-cd8...2~7ITEP6L2.htm
    (8-core; $732.13 - supposed MSRP of $749).

    At least all x64 PCIe lanes are enabled: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-3-50-ghz.html

    Speaking of wishes, I always wished I worked somewhere that would buy me a top-spec machine. I once worked at a semiconductor company where they bought a $90k Sun Ultrasparc workstation for a consultant doing chip layout. At that same job, I got a random, old Pentium II that I managed to swap out for a slightly faster Pentium III. IIRC, they also had logic analyzers that cost like $45k...
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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    I'm not sure they're even posted, but I've seen some numbers bouncing around. AFAIK, you can't even preorder them, yet - the website just says "notify me".


    Um, where did you find the Xeon W-3275 for $1538? It seems not widely available, but the link I posted had a special order price of $4411.62 (they claim MSRP is $4449). Apple will likely tack on a 50% - 100% markup.

    The motherboard I posted is available from Newegg sellers for $650, although Apple's has special extension slots (for Thunderbolt, IIRC).

    I'm guessing the single-GPU Pro II Vega cards will each add about $3k, while the dual-GPU might add about $5k. And you can have 2x GPU cards, for a max of 4 GPUs.

    Then, they have a few other peripherals, like some kind of digital video board, NVMe storage, etc. So, I'm guessing a max-spec new Mac Pro will probably go for somewhere in the range of $25k to $40k.

    According to this, it starts at $6k: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/
    I found it here. I was talking about the 3235 (12 core) and not the 3275 (28 core); just trying to compare their current high end with a similar CPU from the new gen. I can see how we got our wires crossed there. Basically, however we look at it, their new stuff costs less than their old stuff if you buy the off the shelf versions (as to be expected from damn-near any OEM).

    Yeah, their motherboard has special slots behind the PCIE ones so those GPUs can pull lots of power and offer all that Thunderbolt connectivity. They also appear to remove the need to run power cables to the GPUs so I hope that becomes a standard feature for all to adopt.

    I wish I could trick IT departments into spending $40K on a $30K computer....300 times

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    Heh. I knew I wouldn't like it so I didn't even look at the price.
    I'm not sure they're even posted, but I've seen some numbers bouncing around. AFAIK, you can't even preorder them, yet - the website just says "notify me".

    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    I can find the new one's processor for $1538 and similar GPUs in the $2000 range; so like $4500-$5000 for the equivalent stuff using Newegg. I like the case, but not at that much of a potential premium.
    Um, where did you find the Xeon W-3275 for $1538? It seems not widely available, but the link I posted had a special order price of $4411.62 (they claim MSRP is $4449). Apple will likely tack on a 50% - 100% markup.

    The motherboard I posted is available from Newegg sellers for $650, although Apple's has special extension slots (for Thunderbolt, IIRC).

    I'm guessing the single-GPU Pro II Vega cards will each add about $3k, while the dual-GPU might add about $5k. And you can have 2x GPU cards, for a max of 4 GPUs.

    Then, they have a few other peripherals, like some kind of digital video board, NVMe storage, etc. So, I'm guessing a max-spec new Mac Pro will probably go for somewhere in the range of $25k to $40k.

    According to this, it starts at $6k: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/
    Last edited by coder; 10-12-2019, 05:57 PM.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    It is worthy of every superlative. Especially regarding the price.

    I like how they (seemingly) managed to convince Intel to enable an extra x16 lanes of PCIe on their LGA3647 socket.

    I haven't seen Vega Pro II listed for purchase, separately. Even if it isn't, I'd still build a slightly lower-spec workstation for a fraction of the price. But, not being a MacOS user, I'm not really a target user of that hardware, anyhow.

    I just had a thought: perhaps you could say that Apple is now the closest thing we have to a spiritual successor of SGI. Weird.

    Another weird thought: with 4x Vega 20 GPUs, this thing is kind of like an AMD equivalent of Nvidia's DGX Station. When you put it that way, the maxed-out price might not seem so insane.

    Edit: I think this is their max-spec CPU: https://www.provantage.com/intel-cd8...1~7ITEP6L5.htm

    I think it'll work with this motherboard: https://www.supermicro.com/en/produc...board/X11SPA-T
    Heh. I knew I wouldn't like it so I didn't even look at the price. All I really saw were good specs and a nice case from a premium brand.

    Lately I've just kind of written Apple off from the high-end computing market but this really changed my mind on that.

    OK, so I can't stop laughing now. I clicked "Buy the previous model". Saw their "Up to $1400 rebate or free recycling" offer, clicked it, it offered Apple and Other, other goes straight to free recycling. LMAO. FU Apple.

    So W/O adding any of their software, a maxed-out 12-core previous model costs $6227.00 and I can find the new one's processor for $1538 and similar GPUs in the $2000 range; so like $4500-$5000 for the equivalent stuff using Newegg. I like the case, but not at that much of a potential premium.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    I don't normally post nice things about Apple products, but damn does their new Mac Pro look nice. And that Vega based GPU...just wow.

    I went down the Appe hole reading all those Mac server comments
    It is worthy of every superlative. Especially regarding the price.

    I like how they (seemingly) managed to convince Intel to enable an extra x16 lanes of PCIe on their LGA3647 socket.

    I haven't seen Vega Pro II listed for purchase, separately. Even if it isn't, I'd still build a slightly lower-spec workstation for a fraction of the price. But, not being a MacOS user, I'm not really a target user of that hardware, anyhow.

    I just had a thought: perhaps you could say that Apple is now the closest thing we have to a spiritual successor of SGI. Weird.

    Another weird thought: with 4x Vega 20 GPUs, this thing is kind of like an AMD equivalent of Nvidia's DGX Station. When you put it that way, the maxed-out price might not seem so insane.

    Edit: I think this is their max-spec CPU: https://www.provantage.com/intel-cd8...1~7ITEP6L5.htm

    I think it'll work with this motherboard: https://www.supermicro.com/en/produc...board/X11SPA-T
    Last edited by coder; 10-12-2019, 04:23 PM.

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  • skeevy420
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    I don't normally post nice things about Apple products, but damn does their new Mac Pro look nice. And that Vega based GPU...just wow.

    I went down the Appe hole reading all those Mac server comments

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
    But you replied to me earlier and I was talking about the OS the whole time.
    Yeah, I spring-boarded off of that to talk about their server hardware. Otherwise, I don't know what you'd run a server OS on - Power Macs? Those aren't really a server platform - especially the old, cylindrical ones.

    I don't imagine it could run on non-Apple hardware. Steve Jobs would rise from his grave to put a stop to any such nonsense.

    BTW, here's the hardware platform I mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xserve

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    That's an OS, whereas I was talking about a hardware product that was like a 1U or 2U rackmount box. I think probably towards the end of their PowerPC era.
    But you replied to me earlier and I was talking about the OS the whole time.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
    macOS Server is still available and being worked on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Server
    But again: no one really uses it.
    That's an OS, whereas I was talking about a hardware product that was like a 1U or 2U rackmount box. I think probably towards the end of their PowerPC era.

    And I would guess the main users of the server software are inside Apple. For things like corporate file servers, their cloud services, etc.

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