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  • #11
    I think you miss the point, until RISC-V is shipped on widely available hardware that performs well enough for desktop or laptop duty it doesn’t matter. I’ve yet to hear of a chipset that is targeting desktop or laptop hardware.

    Originally posted by cipri View Post

    I am ordering risc-v hardware exactly right now from seestudio.com , high performance risc-v microcontroller... for an incredible price.
    Check out this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F4-3X4bet0 it costs 5 Dollar!
    Checkout this: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Sipeed-M...oT-p-4046.html

    I have programmed many types of microcontrollers... but such a great performance at such price is just incredible!

    Alibaba, one of the biggest companies in the world, presented recently a general purpose RISC-V CPU , very powerful.
    https://techxplore.com/news/2019-07-...ed-risc-v.html

    China is going into the risc-v direction full-speed ahead.
    "Western Digital" (India) is very committed to risc-v, they are shipping billions of components based on risc-v, each year.
    Huawei already mentioned that they plan to migrate to risc-v if they continue having that trouble with the arm license.
    Quite likely, they already know, that they cannot anymore be dependent on arm.

    With Intel and ARM Huawei will have an uncertain future forever.... now they understood that. And I guess not only Huawei understood it, but also other companies, which know have the proof, they the US can anytime create them major troubles even if they dont sell their products directly to the US.

    As a response of this big thread, ARM and MIPS and POWER, changed their licenses, but I still don't see any chance for them in the long run.

    Check the latest public discussion between Elon Musk and Jack Ma, and you will see how impressed Elon Musk is by the chinese people.
    The Tesla Gigafactory 3, in Shanghai was built faster than Elon Musk could imagine. It is the first time Elon Musk is not late on time with this plans!

    Now I also like the domain of Math and Theoretical Physics. What do I notice? Many new and great published articles, the authors have chinese-sounding names.
    China is a lot more advanced that many can even imagine.
    They are hard workers, they deserve it!

    cipri
    im not sure what the Chinese have to do with this discussion. The problem with China is their government not the people. I minimize my business dealings with China because of that government. If the people in China really want to do something constructive they should over throw that regime and free themselves so that they can realize their dreams.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
      I think you miss the point, until RISC-V is shipped on widely available hardware that performs well enough for desktop or laptop duty it doesn’t matter. I’ve yet to hear of a chipset that is targeting desktop or laptop hardware.
      I agree, from the user perspective. But does an OS matter if it doesn't run on the users hardware?

      When x86-64 was mainstream haiku was not ported to it (and I guess not even today it is completely ported!).
      If I remember correctly, haiku was developed in VM environment for a long time, and I guess even today some devs are still running in VM, since it is lightweight, and even in VM it is of acceptable speed.
      Debian, Fedora started the RISC-V port already long time ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdT9gsBF_M
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT7-xt7s71g

      Since china is behind risc-v , you can be sure that soon you will have cheap and fast risc-v hardware.

      Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
      The problem with China is their government not the people
      I would not judge that easily. Imagine that china brought out of poverty like 20-30% of the world population! The biggest improvements in green energy comes from china (while USA still denies the environmental impact)! This Chinese government is supporting the development of electrical vehicles. China is the biggest market for EV!
      I am not sure if a corrupt democratic government is better than a communist one.
      Most of the governments that have a good standard of life incorporated big elements of the socialism/communism theory.
      The living standard of the Chinese is increasing from year to year, I am not sure why they would want to change that.
      Let us not forget about the secret (and illegal) prisons of CIA. The US is already known for their spying and my best guess is that this is the reason why they want the barebone of the worlds telecommunications to be US technology. I would not trust cisco more than huawei.
      Take a look at the big improvements that some African states experience exactly now! They are made possible exactly by china, they bring them technology and infrastructure for a cheap price (and western countries a mad that they can not sell their products more expensive to china). Let us not forget the western countries have a great history of exploiting Africa and let us not forget we had slaves in democratic regimes. Democracy doesn't automatically mean good. Check Belarus, officially a democratic republic, but in practice lukaschenko is a dictator, already being a president since 15 years.
      Last edited by cipri; 09-08-2019, 04:54 AM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by cipri View Post
        Since china is behind risc-v , you can be sure that soon you will have cheap and fast risc-v hardware.

        I would not judge that easily. Imagine that china brought out of poverty like 20-30% of the world population! The biggest improvements in green energy comes from china (while USA still denies the environmental impact)! This Chinese government is supporting the development of electrical vehicles. China is the biggest market for EV!
        I am not sure if a corrupt democratic government is better than a communist one.
        Even China, under Xi,
        If you do stat pools, in the Country you will see that the people would choose him the same way...
        You can't ignore China growth, quality of life improvement, and so on...
        So even though they are a mix of Authoritarian Communism-Capitalism duet system, that would be what the people would choose anyway..

        Originally posted by cipri View Post
        Most of the governments that have a good standard of life incorporated big elements of the socialism/communism theory.
        Public Institutions, working for the Citizen,
        Public Heath Care Systems,
        Public Transport Systems..
        That is what we in Europe call, a 'Fist World Country'.. or a developed Country..

        Originally posted by cipri View Post
        The living standard of the Chinese is increasing from year to year, I am not sure why they would want to change that.
        Let us not forget about the secret (and illegal) prisons of CIA. The US is already known for their spying and my best guess is that this is the reason why they want the barebone of the worlds telecommunications to be US technology. I would not trust cisco more than huawei.
        Take a look at the big improvements that some African states experience exactly now! They are made possible exactly by china, they bring them technology and infrastructure for a cheap price (and western countries a mad that they can not sell their products more expensive to china). Let us not forget the western countries have a great history of exploiting Africa and let us not forget we had slaves in democratic regimes. Democracy doesn't automatically mean good.
        You right, China is doing it the right way..
        And if there are any RISC-V chances, they lay with China..

        This ARM blocade,
        Serves to show that ARM is not a 'reliable partner'.. and it will accelerate more RISC-V adoption, as a independent CPU..

        Originally posted by cipri View Post
        Check Belarus, officially a democratic republic, but in practice lukaschenko is a dictator, already being a president since 15 years.
        You can analyse,
        Germany, Russia, and maybe another countries in the Center/North of Europe, the Same way..

        But I think that the amount of years in Power as nothing to do with the relation between Dictatorship and Democracy..
        Take Russia or Germany, etc as an example..
        There are elections there,
        And so, its the people that choose the same president..


        The same happen with Russia,
        What would we expect from the people,
        when under the current president the levels of life have rised more than 16x times..

        When the quality of life improve a lot, people tend to want "more of the same", instead of change,
        Because changing means Uncertainty, and if you have a favourable situation, you don't want to have unnecessary risks..
        Also there are very competent Presidents, some time you simply don't find a easy substitute for it( like in Russia or Germany, or China )..

        In the case of Russia, the Judicial System was in total collapse, the big powerful criminals,
        until the beginning of 2000s they were not in prison( a lot of times, they even assassinated presidents of some regions.. ),
        The Judge felt that it has to release the prisoner, because if not, with the levels of power the prisoner has, the Judge( or is Family ), will end assassinated..

        Now, if you look to a complete chaotic situation, like in 2000s( or worst before that..since 90s ),
        Who do you think would be the Man, capable to deal with a Country( that is the biggest Nuclear Power by the way ) , in that Situation?
        Of Course Putin, the Man behind the gigantic task to brake the Powerful KGB, into 2 separated entities..
        He Ended with ~80% of Corruption, reformed the Law system, reformed the Public Institutions, the Health Care institutions( he is advancing more on that now.. ),the Enforce System( Police,etc ), the military, the aerospace, everything!!
        A Pharaonic Job!

        So you end in 2019,
        In a lot different Russia..
        How does you think they want a different President??
        Of Course they don't, and they show it in the Elections!

        Should I mark them as Undemocratic for that?
        Of Course NOT, they have elections.
        They simply choose always what they find as the best option..simple as that.. its Democracy working!!

        A lot of People think that democracy, is rotating the rule of power by the Elites( So that all the 'Big Guys' can rule and extort the people ), but that is infact Dictatorship!!

        The people is the one Entitled to choose who will rule them, and for how long..
        If the same person cannot compete in next Elections...is that democracy?Why he cannot compete??
        Because the rest of the Elites also want to rule.....but wait, shouldn't the people have a say on that?? or are we forgetting the term 'Democracy'?
        So,
        A Complete Democratic System should let everybody Candidate Himself to Presidency, and that includes the actual President of course..
        The people then have the best options to chose who will rule them..

        This all Digression to conclude that, Germany,Russia, have what they want to have.. that is Democracy.

        And the amount of years a President have in Power,
        Doesn't translate in Dictatorship, but instead in real Democracy( In countries were Elections exist of course.. ).

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        • #14
          Lol, these chinese 50 center posters are so obvious.
          Have some subtletly and don't try to hit allll the whataboutist cliches glorifying China and their political system at the same time, guys.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Nemerian View Post
            Lol, these chinese 50 center posters are so obvious.
            Have some subtletly and don't try to hit allll the whataboutist cliches glorifying China and their political system at the same time, guys.
            ??
            We were initially discussing about RISC-V and the necessity China has for it( Even tough that China has Loongson, and maybe others.. ), in the Embedded Market..
            When you see something new made in the west, those company's charge you, both eyes, and maybe a kidney..

            China acts in a different way,
            Even tough that it was in the west, that Lots of technology was developed in the past, is China that have been democratising it.. with accessible prices, for what you are paying for.. and is right now the biggest hope for RISC-V..

            They are focused in Mass Scale Business, for a long time,
            The Sauvage Capitalism in the West 'doesn't allow' thinking in so big Mass Scale Business, but instead, its focused in selling a piece for the price of 100 pieces, that's what Capitalist entities are about..

            This type of strange thinking, is doomed..you can't bully forever, or be in Sauvage Capitalism forever, its a impossible System, it will implode, and we see it imploding from 1 decade till now..

            I don't know were is here the '50 cents Chinese posters', We were talking about the reality,
            No Glorification there, only Merit for them.




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            • #16
              Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
              ??
              We were initially discussing about RISC-V and the necessity China has for it( Even tough that China has Loongson, and maybe others.. ), in the Embedded Market..
              When you see something new made in the west, those company's charge you, both eyes, and maybe a kidney..

              China acts in a different way,
              Even tough that it was in the west, that Lots of technology was developed in the past, is China that have been democratising it.. with accessible prices, for what you are paying for.. and is right now the biggest hope for RISC-V..

              They are focused in Mass Scale Business, for a long time,
              The Sauvage Capitalism in the West 'doesn't allow' thinking in so big Mass Scale Business, but instead, its focused in selling a piece for the price of 100 pieces, that's what Capitalist entities are about..

              This type of strange thinking, is doomed..you can't bully forever, or be in Sauvage Capitalism forever, its a impossible System, it will implode, and we see it imploding from 1 decade till now..

              I don't know were is here the '50 cents Chinese posters', We were talking about the reality,
              No Glorification there, only Merit for them.



              You aren't fooling anyone, Chang.
              You are much too obvious.
              The only thing missing would be bringing up Free Tibet, or the Uyghurs.
              Last edited by Nemerian; 09-09-2019, 03:16 AM.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Nemerian View Post
                You aren't fooling anyone, Chang.
                Its the Second time that you do a comment without any meaning, in your case..

                Originally posted by Nemerian View Post
                You are much too obvious.
                The only thing missing would be bringing up Free Tibet, or the Uyghurs.
                You know..
                Is very easy to point fingers at others, forgetting ourselves..
                Does UK, returns Scotland, or Irland, or the Falklands Island to Argentina, all are annexed by force, countries..?
                Does Spain Returns Catalonia to Catatonian's( its a annexed country.. )?
                Does the US will return Portions of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada,Utah,Texas, Colorado and Wyoming to Mexico?
                Doesn't you find strange that the most spoken language in the US is exactly Spanish ??

                Right...
                Very easy to point fingers at others...
                But it seems that its very difficult to look to our reality and acknowledge, that after all, we are a lot worst than others!
                Before point fingers at others,
                We need to solve our mess first, and only then point "half a finger"..why..because you still woe lands to the Native Indians...right..


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                • #18
                  Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
                  Its the Second time that you do a comment without any meaning, in your case..



                  You know..
                  Is very easy to point fingers at others, forgetting ourselves..
                  Does UK, returns Scotland, or Irland, or the Falklands Island to Argentina, all are annexed by force, countries..?
                  Does Spain Returns Catalonia to Catatonian's( its a annexed country.. )?
                  Does the US will return Portions of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada,Utah,Texas, Colorado and Wyoming to Mexico?
                  Doesn't you find strange that the most spoken language in the US is exactly Spanish ??

                  Right...
                  Very easy to point fingers at others...
                  But it seems that its very difficult to look to our reality and acknowledge, that after all, we are a lot worst than others!
                  Before point fingers at others,
                  We need to solve our mess first, and only then point "half a finger"..why..because you still woe lands to the Native Indians...right..

                  Ah yes, whataboutism, the favourite tactic of propagandists of communist regimes.
                  Hmm, in your case, it seems you call it the "Stinky Bug Argument"(臭蟲論).

                  Now fuck off.
                  Last edited by Nemerian; 09-09-2019, 08:20 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Nemerian View Post
                    Ah yes, whataboutism, the favourite tactic of propagandists of communist regimes.
                    Hmm, in your case, it seems you call it the "Stinky Bug Argument"(臭蟲論).
                    Now fuck off.
                    For the third time,
                    That you are showing off your true colours..
                    Adding nothing good to the discussion( but trying to offend me from the beginning.. ).

                    The thing you don't understand is that, you are not my 'master'..
                    And usually we should give in return the same amount we receive, So... that's right, got it?

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