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  • #21
    Originally posted by msotirov View Post
    Pardon my French but who gives a crap about FreeBSD or any Unix at this stage? Besides banks running 40 year old Fortran codebases that is. I'm genuinely curious.
    Who gives a crap what you’re curious about?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by nivedita View Post

      Who gives a crap what you’re curious about?
      Who gives a crap about what you crap about?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

        Who gives a crap about what you crap about?
        Clearly you’re exhibit #1.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
          However games consoles (Switch, PS3, PS4) all use FreeBSD (possibly due to the less restrictive licensing rather than technical merit).
          The Nintendo Switch does not run FreeBSD, it uses an in-house microkernel called Horizon.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
            Also, most banks run Linux these days. However games consoles (Switch, PS3, PS4) all use FreeBSD (possibly due to the less restrictive licensing rather than technical merit).
            Well, majority of banks run a plethora of systems,
            AIX is very used in the banking systems, Solaris is also used..
            Oracle have been making some interesting proposals if you use Oracle databases, you can bypass spectre/meltdown, and this bugs are the initial trigger to Oracle starting to capitalise on that..

            So its a mix, but generally speaking AIX/Solaris/Linux are used in the Banking System, with the majority of the business in Aix/Solaris..
            Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
            Which is a shame because we can learn a lot from them but their "owners" are old fashioned people and will unlikely open-source them so the world can benefit.
            Well, you could learn a lot from the simplicity Idea, but with mega/hyper strange projects like systemd, you can forget..
            To learn a lot in Unix, you need very qualified people working with them,every day..
            This machines are a lot less than x86 ones, which means that only a few touch them..

            But the reality is that majority of people that comes to Linux and tries to develop something ...this people came from Windows and are completely off the Unix simplicity and Ideals..

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Space Heater View Post

              The Nintendo Switch does not run FreeBSD, it uses an in-house microkernel called Horizon.
              Nintendo's licence agreement for the console acknowledges FreeBSD, although this doesn't tell you how much BSD they used.

              The Playstations don't exactly "run on" FreeBSD either but their OS is pretty heavily based on it.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Templar82 View Post
                Nintendo's licence agreement for the console acknowledges FreeBSD, although this doesn't tell you how much BSD they used.

                The Playstations don't exactly "run on" FreeBSD either but their OS is pretty heavily based on it.
                If you've watched the talks from the teams that reverse engineered the Switch, they openly say it's not at all based on FreeBSD, so while it likely is using some portion of modified FreeBSD code in userspace, it's not as if the OS is a heavily modified version of FreeBSD - it's largely based on the OS of the 3DS.

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                • #28
                  Hmmm... It's unfortunate that there's nothing to support flatpaks/snaps on BSD or I'd actually try one of these out.

                  I'm at the point in my linux desktop where I can install pretty much distro and still be able to use flatpaks. It's very nice and I wouldn't want to go back to how it was before...

                  EDIT:
                  To clarify, I'd love to be able to use existing flatpaks. Not necessarily just implement something *like* flatpak on BSD.
                  Last edited by fuzz; 08-14-2019, 08:57 PM.

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                  • #29
                    In my opinion FreeBSD is objectively better than Linux simply because it is a cohesive whole. Building a Linux distro from scratch has a whole book written on how to do it called Linux from Scratch because of all the disjoint projects that have to have their code pulled together to get a workable system at the command line level. Any of the BSDs on the other hand one just has to build world and it is done. Building an entire FreeBSD OS capable of dumping you at the command line is just a few lines of compilation. The elegance of having the whole OS as one project instead of dozens of disjoint projects is nice. That being said the man power at work is less and they for some reason don't focus on the desktop that much and having to pull in drivers for modern graphics cards from ports is a big disservice. In conclusion the elegance of the engineered solution that is FreeBSD is something to be admired while at the same time their struggles to make an easy to setup desktop and refusal to incorporate modern graphics drivers into the core do the project a huge disservice.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
                      Yup, deemed impossible by many haters because GNOME is supposedly tied to systemd, but here you go.
                      It's Gnome 3.28 and has not been upgraded for ages. Yes, because of systemd, however little you like reality.

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