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Darling Still Has A Goal Of Running macOS Apps On Linux
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IMHO, I need to see a list with at least 10 "must have" MacOS apps that are just so much much better than anything Linux has and aren't from Microsoft.... With that said, the project will likely be fun and challenging. But I'll probably yawn on releases.
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Originally posted by cjcox View PostIMHO, I need to see a list with at least 10 "must have" MacOS apps that are just so much much better than anything Linux has and aren't from Microsoft.... With that said, the project will likely be fun and challenging. But I'll probably yawn on releases.
Adobe Cloud. (Even though this constitutes more than 10 apps alone, I will count it as one.)
Allegorithmic Substance Designer/Painter/Alchemist
Xcode
3d Coat
Zbrush
Daz3d (Makehuman is in no way a replacement for this.)
Marvelous Designer
Quixel Suite/Mix
Terragen/World Machine
Visual Studio (for Mac)
Vue and Plantfactory/SpeedTree
QuartzCode
Scrivener
Clarrsse
iExplorer
Now, this doesn't mentiion Mac/iPhone only games (since iphone apps are coming to Mac) or things that are significantly better than on Linux.
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Originally posted by oliver+ View PostMy personal favorite would be iTunes support. iTunes (for iPhone backups) is one of the few reasons i keep a Windows partition.
Originally posted by stingray454 View PostThey seem to be suffering from a lack of developers, I hope any developer reading this considers helping out. I would if I had any clue about C / C++ / Swift and the like :P.
I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you have experience with programming? If not, I found Python the easiest to learn. While I have not messed around with Swift, I heard that it is supposed to be similar to python. If you own an iPad, there is a cool app called Swift Playground.
Swift Playgrounds is a revolutionary app for iPad and Mac that helps you learn and explore coding in Swift, the same powerful language used to create world-class apps for the App Store.
Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View PostI think Apple would crack down on this pretty hard, considering that they don't even allow running macOS VMs on non-Apple hardware.
With that being said, I hope the Darling team is careful with who they invite into their project. Especially for people who have agreed to Apple's EULA.
Originally posted by ssorgatem View PostEven for the software that also has Windows versions that run on wine, through darling they may run better due to an easier translation between OS calls.
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The main reason to run osx is ease of use. This will be anything but easy to use. There will be no hardware integration. So at best it'll be some emulated apps that clash with gnome/kde/whatever. You won't run a full OSX desktop environment on Linux and you'd be nuts for trying to. Not to mention that all the System Preferences.app tools for osx would need to be rewritten to talk to Linux hardware. The only usecase for Darling is to run a few Mac Apps on Linux that you can't get on Linux. Remember GNUstep has been trying to make a mac-like desktop for 20+ years now. They haven't even got a web browser working (hell it took 15 years to get tabbed terminals in GNUstep and OSX had had them for a decade), and there's no tools for controlling RandR/Pulseaudio/Network-Manager. There is no way this is going to lead to a mac-like experience on Linux anytime soon. If you want a mac-like experience buy a mac or build a hackintosh. Don't expect Darling to be a desktop environment/Aqua experience. At best it'll throw mac apps into a window and they won't integrate with the rest of your desktop.Last edited by DMJC; 03 May 2019, 07:04 PM.
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Originally posted by DMJC View PostDon't expect Darling to be a desktop environment/Aqua experience. At best it'll throw mac apps into a window and they won't integrate with the rest of your desktop.
Originally posted by DMJC View PostSo at best it'll be some emulated apps that clash with gnome/kde/whatever.
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Originally posted by DMJC View PostRemember GNUstep has been trying to make a mac-like desktop for 20+ years now.
This is your problem. GNUstep is not about a OSX desktop. GNUstep looks exactly how it meant to look as a NeXTSTEP clone.
Originally posted by DMJC View PostThey haven't even got a web browser working (hell it took 15 years to get tabbed terminals in GNUstep and OSX had had them for a decade), and there's no tools for controlling RandR/Pulseaudio/Network-Manager.
Originally posted by DMJC View PostThere is no way this is going to lead to a mac-like experience on Linux anytime soon.
Items like above forked off of GNUstep could have but they never got the developer support and was attempting for a more OS X look.
Originally posted by DMJC View PostIf you want a mac-like experience buy a mac or build a hackintosh.
Originally posted by DMJC View PostDon't expect Darling to be a desktop environment/Aqua experience. At best it'll throw mac apps into a window and they won't integrate with the rest of your desktop.
Correct on that applications running under Darling will not give Aqua experience. Incorrect on will not integrate with the rest of the desktop. Darling applications will look fairly close to native Linux applications. So fairly much nothing like your OS X application appearance so they in fact integrate well only way this could change is if something unity or Étoilé was doing well being a windows manager/wayland compositor providing a OS X like experience.
Really the thing I don't get is with how often people built hackintosh while the old Mol, Étoilé and current Darling has so low of developer support.
People build hackintosh to get access to faster hardware than Apple provides. Of course Mol and Darling can give that.
Yes I am sick Apple users pointing at GNUstep and saying this example of why OS X like look cannot be on Linux when that is not the project objective. Reason why OS X look and feel is not on Linux is simply lack of developers with funding to make it happen. Having a OS X look and feel is not linked to running OS X applications.
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