FreeBSD Finally Gets Mitigated For Spectre & Meltdown

[lisa_arrowwood]

Spent some time reading through the FreeBSD CoC fiasco:

* Everyone daring to speak up against the wacko CoC is being labeled a Trump supporting sock puppet
* Mods deleting reasonable posts just asking questions or giving their opinion
* Closing threads raising serious and well thought out concerns about the CoC
* A constant "why do you support the harassment of women and trans people" accusation both explicitly and implicitly for people raising concerns about the CoC
* Pretending that FreeBSD never had an excellent and well written CoC before
* A complete lockdown on anyone bringing up one of the supporters of the CoC was responsible for the Randi Harper harassment of a FreeBSD developer a year or two ago

FreeBSD appears to be circling the wagons against make believe hordes of imaginary Trump supporting rape gangs and doubling down.

The only thing I think FreeBSD could do to make things worse is replace the FreeBSD Daemon with the goatse.cx guy.

It's like some sort of crazy comedy skit - TumblrOS

[k1l_]

Especially when the whole point is to establish completely obvious rules of behavior that everybody should be able to inherently realize anyway.

you mean like not beeing allowed to talk about food or to virtually hug somebody? You mean that obvious rules? Just look at all your postings in this thread and there are many points in the new freebsd CoC that you violated.
Same goes for the same freebsd guys, that pushed this CoC, as i linked earlier in this thread.

I don't really see any counterarguments here. All I see is a lot of hate, and proof of why there's need for a CoC. If it wasn't for stuff like this, we would do fine without CoC.

You are aware freebsd already had a CoC?
The only issue for the SJWs was the part where it said: "Try not to take offense where no offense was intended." The new CoC from the feminism geekwiki people just got one intention, and that intention is the issue. Not a CoC as such.


The problem people in here (or on other projects) do is, they think they will be only on the CoC executing side. They demand all hillarous Rules, because they suit them. But just think of you beeing on the receiving end. This SJW CoC is a weapon that is worded that way, that it could be used arbitrary against everyone.

[lisa_arrowwood]

One more not is the laughably sad and pathetic attempt at damage control for the toxic FreeBSD CoC on twitter. Someone started a #freebsd tag to try to rally the rapidly dwindling FreeBSD user and developer pool.

Remember everyone everything is fine with FreeBSD:

[duby229]

You are making an extremely bold statement without providing a single source for that. This is not how science works, not at all.

Science has a very concise definition of the biological sex and that comes through chromosomes. There are only two types for the chromosome pair 23 for mamals which determine your sex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex...ation_system): XX or XY. That's it.

There are, of course, some people which have rare chromosome defects that end up as males with XX chromosomes and females with XY chromosomes. But those cases are extremely rare and are rather a genetic defect than the norm.

The fact that there are only two biological sexes isn't really something that scientists disagree over. Also, it doesn't really help you when you need sex-specific medical treatments (e.g. hormone jabs or taking anti-baby pills) when you claim that there are more than two biological sexes. When the doctor says "duby229, you need to take this pill which will address issues with your insufficient testosterone level which causes health issues for you as a male person." you can't say and claim "Nah, my biological sex isn't male but enamale, so I don't believe in your treatments."

Science doesn't care about believes, science is just facts you cannot ignore.

You just said a whole lot of nonsense that reflects science from the 80's. Science, real science, learns the truth and changes. Facts are what facts are whether you like them or not. Fact is sex is genetically determined and there are more than 2 possibilities. Gender is determined epigenetically and is very analog. Facts. That's what real science does, it changes according to what the real truth is determined be as it becomes understood.

[duby229]

you mean like not beeing allowed to talk about food or to virtually hug somebody? You mean that obvious rules? Just look at all your postings in this thread and there are many points in the new freebsd CoC that you violated.
Same goes for the same freebsd guys, that pushed this CoC, as i linked earlier in this thread.




You are aware freebsd already had a CoC?
The only issue for the SJWs was the part where it said: "Try not to take offense where no offense was intended." The new CoC from the feminism geekwiki people just got one intention, and that intention is the issue. Not a CoC as such.


The problem people in here (or on other projects) do is, they think they will be only on the CoC executing side. They demand all hillarous Rules, because they suit them. But just think of you beeing on the receiving end. This SJW CoC is a weapon that is worded that way, that it could be used arbitrary against everyone.

So? That's nothing of meaning. Just consider it small print and get over it. Why does it matter? Somebody doesn't want you to send then "virtual hugs" then don't do it... I don't get the problem... Are you gonna send them just to piss them off in that case? What"s the problem exactly?

[brrrrttttt]

So? That's nothing of meaning. Just consider it small print and get over it. Why does it matter? Somebody doesn't want you to send then "virtual hugs" then don't do it... I don't get the problem... Are you gonna send them just to piss them off in that case? What"s the problem exactly?

You seriously don't see the irony in what you're saying? O_o

[Brisse]

The only issue for the SJWs was the part where it said: "Try not to take offense where no offense was intended."

People can certainly abuse that rule just as much, if not more than they can abuse the new rules. Rules are supposed to protect the victims, not the perpetrator. This rule could easily be abused deliberately, but probably more often it's just out of plain ignorance, but that doesn't make it okay.

The problem people in here (or on other projects) do is, they think they will be only on the CoC executing side. They demand all hillarous Rules, because they suit them. But just think of you beeing on the receiving end. This SJW CoC is a weapon that is worded that way, that it could be used arbitrary against everyone.

Just try to be a decent person and there's pretty much zero risk of you ending up on the receiving end. Anyone that eventually does probably deserves it. Is it a little much to go into such detail about "virtual hugs"? Perhaps, but I don't see how it's any more open for abuse than the previous CoC which was very unclear and you could basically make up any excuse for/against which just leads into infinite loops of allegations vs. counter-allegations and nothing good comes from it in the end.

And why does it always have to come down to this "us vs. them" rhetoric? Try to see things a bit more objective instead of picking sides and going to war all emotional. The very same arguments you come up with can easily be used to the same effect by your opposition.

It's like a bunch of bullies who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and now they are all upset that the rules doesn't have any loopholes for them to abuse to get their freecard.

[BeardedGNUFreak]

Just try to be a decent person and there's pretty much zero risk of you ending up on the receiving end. Anyone that eventually does probably deserves it. Is it a little much to go into such detail about "virtual hugs"? Perhaps, but I don't see how it's any more open for abuse than the previous CoC which was very unclear and you could basically make up any excuse for/against which just leads into infinite loops of allegations vs. counter-allegations and nothing good comes from it in the end.

And why does it always have to come down to this "us vs. them" rhetoric? Try to see things a bit more objective instead of picking sides and going to war all emotional. The very same arguments you come up with can easily be used to the same effect by your opposition.

It's like a bunch of bullies who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and now they are all upset that the rules doesn't have any loopholes for them to abuse to get their freecard.

You are a sick and stupid person.

How DARE YOU run your fucking mouth off about normal people needing to 'behave'.

Let's remind everyone that the only real incident of harassment over the past few years in the FreeBSD project was a vile SJW, Randi Harper, attacking an innocent developer because she didn't like his politics and tried to have him kicked from the team. Thankfully the wonderful FreeBSD CoC didn't allow her to and she ended up being kicked from the project.

So don't you ever imply that the bullies and harassers are anyone other than YOU.

Just like in node and drupal where the only harassment was from vile SJW individuals attacking innocent developers.

[nils_]

Just try to be a decent person and there's pretty much zero risk of you ending up on the receiving end. Anyone that eventually does probably deserves it.

That depends on your definition of a decent person. Some people have very particular standards when it comes to this, it basically boils down to "anyone who hold values different from my own is not a decent person". This quickly turns a technical project into another popularity contest with a lot of unwritten as well as written rules that can get you to end up in the outgroup - basically turning the whole thing into an environment not dissimilar to large corporations or school. This is not conducive to freedom of thought and I don't believe it's an attractive environment for hackers since it's very hard to navigate. It is also incredibly inhumane.

[Brisse]

You are a sick and stupid person.

How DARE YOU run your fucking mouth off about normal people needing to 'behave'.

Let's remind everyone that the only real incident of harassment over the past few years in the FreeBSD project was a vile SJW, Randi Harper, attacking an innocent developer because she didn't like his politics and tried to have him kicked from the team. Thankfully the wonderful FreeBSD CoC didn't allow her to and she ended up being kicked from the project.

So don't you ever imply that the bullies and harassers are anyone other than YOU.

Just like in node and drupal where the only harassment was from vile SJW individuals attacking innocent developers.

What's with all the foul language, name-calling and verbal abuse? Can you make it any more obvious that you are simply a bully trying to defend your "right" to keep bullying? When are you going to come up with sane and rational arguments supporting your standpoint?

I enjoy my freedom of speech in a respectful manner. What are you doing? Spouting verbal abuse. Don't you think it's a little pathetic?