Red Hat Formally Rolls Out Pipewire For Being The "Video Equivalent of PulseAudio"

[starshipeleven]

I do know for certain it's at least 3 years old behavior. And knowing how PA devs believe honestly that's it's perfect I wouldn't doubt one bit it's actually a 10 years old behavior. And the ones I stated as definitely, definitely do describe the same behavior. And the other ones probably have the exact same root cause.

Yeah, the root cause is that you can't read bug reports at all so any PA bug looks the same for you, and they all seem like describing your issues.

Really that's the only reason why you cannot do something as simple as finding a bug report where the person did report the same issues as you stated in your post above.

Really it's that simple, a bug where the person reports that there are multiple seconds of lag, or PA stopping on its own (which is what you claimed). Not random other PA bugs from the stone age.

[duby229]

Yeah, the root cause is that you can't read bug reports at all so any PA bug looks the same for you, and they all seem like describing your issues.

Really that's the only reason why you cannot do something as simple as finding a bug report where the person did report the same issues as you stated in your post above.

They do describe the same problem, just look.

[Tomin]

They do describe the same problem, just look.

Sorry to intervene, but I really don't see how those bug reports would describe the same bug. I would say that they are definitely different bugs and probably caused by different things.

[duby229]

Sorry to intervene, but I really don't see how those bug reports would describe the same bug. I would say that they are definitely different bugs and probably caused by different things.

Don't feel sorry, you're ok. They seem like they are describing the same effects those users noted on those bug reports. At least those I described as definitely are exactly the same symptoms I experience.

[Tomin]

Don't feel sorry, you're ok.

It just seemed that you had an intense discussion going on.

[GreatEmerald]

Yes, Pipewire should be a good fit for OBS

But will it really? Have you talked to the OBS devs? OBS does a lot of tricky things, so they have pretty high requirements. The main point is performance, from what I've seen; Xorg doesn't have a way to capture frames quickly enough, even with Xcomposite, which makes recording on Linux so far abysmally slow compared to Windows. Would Pipewire be able to, well, pipe the frames to OBS without doing any extra copies?

For a former discussion on the matter, see: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme..._suck_so_much/

[carewolf]

PulseVideo sounds vaguely pornographic.

Or like a food TV show for vampires

[keantoken]

Will Pipewire output be bit-perfect?

Also does it use delay-locked loops like Pulseaudio?

[whydoubt]

The original statement:

On Gentoo PA just simply pauses the audio by itself for completely unexplainable reasons. There has been no input on it, no advice, no solution. It's been this way since at least 3 years. Plus there's the multiple seconds of latency that is completely unavoidable. That also has had no input, no advice and no solution. It those two major bugs that make it unusable for -me-.

So basically:
1 - Randomly pausing audio
2 - Multiple-second latency


The eventually reply with supposedly-related bugs:

Jeez, it's kinda like a mechanichal engineer asking a high school metal shop student to baby step him through the design of some machine part. It sounds so stupid to me.... But here goes.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/786326 probably
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 probably
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/448528 definitely
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/441195 definitely
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527866 definitely
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/463535 probably

I mean Really, I could keep going there are just so many of them. And most of them are probably the exact same fundamental root cause. All you guys ever had to do was click on the fucking link and look. It sounds so fucking retarded to me.

Here is a summary of what I got out each bug report.

bug 786326 - audio not switching to new sink
bug 371897 - pops and clicks with spotify in wine
bug 448528 - mute when volume set below 15%
bug 441195 - mixer channels are mapped wrong for some devices
bug 527866 - recording volume keeps resetting to a particular level
bug 463535 - sounds from firefox at full volume regardless of pulseaudio main volume setting

I fail to see how any of these relate to the issues originally stated.

[duby229]

The original statement:



So basically:
1 - Randomly pausing audio
2 - Multiple-second latency


The eventually reply with supposedly-related bugs:



Here is a summary of what I got out each bug report.

bug 786326 - audio not switching to new sink
bug 371897 - pops and clicks with spotify in wine
bug 448528 - mute when volume set below 15%
bug 441195 - mixer channels are mapped wrong for some devices
bug 527866 - recording volume keeps resetting to a particular level
bug 463535 - sounds from firefox at full volume regardless of pulseaudio main volume setting

I fail to see how any of these relate to the issues originally stated.

I think -that- is the root cause of the problem right there exactly. It's perfect right? You guys don't even bother trying to figure out how these related problems are caused. You just summarized the symptoms and then just simply blew it off as if they can't possibly be related. But the symptoms themselves definitely feel like the same cause. Especially so 441195, 441195, 527866. And that isn't even close to all of them. I stopped looking after a few minutes because there are just so many of them.