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[starshipeleven]

Intuition is a logical process.

also War is peace, and Freedom is slavery.
Please check the definitions, as intuition and logic are two mutually exclusive ways of reaching an answer. You can combine them to solve bigger problems, of course.

You do realize your brain is a biochemical neural network right?

You do realize that this has nothing to do with logic and intuition?

Thinking outside of the box is an absolute requirement when you are trying to solve a problem that you don't know how to, or that you don't have the tools to solve.

Thinking out of the box is still reasoning, logic.
That's an expression that means "approaching the same problem from another perspective", not pulling answers from your ass.

[duby229]

also War is peace, and Freedom is slavery.
Please check the definitions, as intuition and logic are two mutually exclusive ways of reaching an answer. You can combine them to solve bigger problems, of course.

You do realize that this has nothing to do with logic and intuition?

Thinking out of the box is still reasoning, logic.
That's an expression that means "approaching the same problem from another perspective", not pulling answers from your ass.

So you think that intuition is like pulling answers out of your ass, and you are wrong again. Intuition is fundamental to understanding, It's part of cognizant recognition. And Absolutely Yes, Your brain is everything about how you think. So logic and intuition have everything to do with your brain.

[bridgman]

Intuition and logic are both "logical reasoning" in your brain, but I describe the difference as logic being a conscious/visible reasoning process and intuition being more of a subconscious "you're not quite sure what got combined or how it got combined but there is the answer" thing.

Intuition tells you there might be an answer "in that general direction", then you carve out some quiet time and try to recreate it with logic to see where it came from and whether it holds up under the bright light of scrutiny.

[ssokolow]

I thought it had something to do with the GPU bios itself rejecting blobs without the proper signature? Or did they get around that?

Yes, but the nVidia binary drivers clearly have a way to do it.

What I'm wondering is why they can't just write a tool to extract the signed blob from the nVidia binary driver and then replicate whatever steps the binary driver uses to get it uploaded and accepted.

[duby229]

Intuition and logic are both "logical reasoning" in your brain, but I describe the difference as logic being a conscious/visible reasoning process and intuition being more of a subconscious "you're not quite sure what got combined or how it got combined but there is the answer" thing.

Intuition tells you there might be an answer "in that general direction", then you carve out some quiet time and try to recreate it with logic to see where it came from and whether it holds up under the bright light of scrutiny.

I agree with you, but I'm not sure if intuition is subconscious. In one real sense you could say that lasers were developed because Star Trek envisioned phasers. I don't think that their envisioning of phasers was subconscious at all.

[W.Irrkopf]

Yes, but the nVidia binary drivers clearly have a way to do it.

What I'm wondering is why they can't just write a tool to extract the signed blob from the nVidia binary driver and then replicate whatever steps the binary driver uses to get it uploaded and accepted.

What can be done (and the scripts exist) is to extract the necessary firmware from the closed drivers and it could be packaged easily. But the license of the closed drivers is written in a way that non of the big distros do this for you (probably because their lawyers think that they would be violating Nivdia's license for the driver).

The other type of answer I found in this thread is to create a truly open source firmware as was done for earlier hardware. Unfortunately Nvidia started to sign (probably cryptographically) their firmware, so the cards only load and run new firmware that Nvidia signed. Getting around that is basically the same as jailbreaking a phone: Either break the signing algorithm, or break the implementation of the algorithm or find an error in the implementation of the firmware loading and verification process to allow arbitrary code execution.

[starshipeleven]

Intuition is fundamental to understanding,

That would explain why you always post bullshit. Your understanding process is flawed.

It's part of cognizant recognition.

Technobabble? What's this?

And Absolutely Yes, Your brain is everything about how you think. So logic and intuition have everything to do with your brain.

So does biochemistry and genetics, and probably physics too. We were discussing logic and intuition, not how the brain actually processes stuff at low level.

[starshipeleven]

I agree with you, but I'm not sure if intuition is subconscious. In one real sense you could say that lasers were developed because Star Trek envisioned phasers. I don't think that their envisioning of phasers was subconscious at all.

FYI: lasers are older than Star Trek.. The name LASER was coined in 1960 and USSR had their own in 1970. Roddenberry took inspiration from real-life units, and changed the name to make sure that he could have his weapons do effects that a LASER could not do without people calling him out on that (very important in fiction).

see here http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/P...ser_technology

[starshipeleven]

Intuition and logic are both "logical reasoning" in your brain, but I describe the difference as logic being a conscious/visible reasoning process and intuition being more of a subconscious "you're not quite sure what got combined or how it got combined but there is the answer" thing.

Kinda. Intuition uses pre-made (and usually unknown to the subject) assumptions that may or may not hold true. Visual illusions are an easy example of this working.
Then of course the basic thought process is the same, but reasoning requires that the assumptions used as a base for the reasoning to be known, for intuition you only get the results, no idea of what were the starting assumptions.

[schmidtbag]

It was an example of yourself facing a situation where you don't have any training AND is complex enough.

That's pointless though. I never said anything about being able to adapt to any situation regardless of complexity. Obviously there's a limit. My point is that limit is higher for some people than you seem to think.

Yo, that's '50s technology. Level of complexity is not comparable with modern stuff. Electro-mechanical systems at best with massive tolerances. Now it's great fun with electronics running the show and razor-thin tolerances because of better understanding and physics simulations.

It would be like comparing Roman Empire buildings with modern stuff. Huge tolerances, simple designs.

Complexity increases dramatically when you don't have the proper tools or resources to accomplish the task. The Romans had proper tools and funding to create their buildings. They may be simple to us, but they also didn't have the same engineering knowledge and math that we have, making their task much more difficult than you give it credit. Difficulty is relative, and human being a tool-oriented species, we are highly dependent upon our tools.

No you did not. All examples are still within what I can do too (maybe not the math one).

Yeah, I call BS. List just 1 thing you've done that even closely resembles the Saturn hack.

"Find faulty part and replace it" works.

Depends on your definition of fix. Replacing something faulty isn't fixing the faulty part, but it may ultimately result in fixing the product as a whole.

And what I'm saying is that these people are "handymen", far better than a commoner, but their problem solving capability is still not enough to be better than specialists, nor to stand out as pinnacles of mankind.

Proof? BTW, you are looking more and more pretentious - I hope you realize this debate may tread for a while if your ego affects your judgment.

Guessing at random isn't better than that. But are you sure it is truly guessing and not some kind of reasoning?

Have you not understood this is exactly how I'm trying to explain what intuition is? And no, I don't guess at random.

And again, this intuition still comes from your own experience. So it's far less effective outside of fields you know well.

Less effective doesn't mean incapable, as you seem to have been suggesting earlier.

If some fields share some similarity, then this can be done. If the person manages to find the points the two fields have in common, then they can try to adapt the strategies to the new field.

Usually, yes. But not always.

Uhm... learning from trial and error isn't intuition.

I never said it was that cut and dry. They had logic and reason to attempt the experiments, but what inspired these experiments was their intuition guiding them in the right direction.

tesla worked on fundamentally flawed assumptions and theories with no kind of fact-checking (this is the main issue, not scientific approach), that by chance were good enough for alternated current. And that's where he made the only interesting stuff that we use nowadays. And yes I read his stuff, he was plain wrong on so much stuff that it isn't even funny.

Exactly - this is what I'm referring to when I say he was driven by intuition. I said nothing about his correctness - many famous and pioneering scientists were very, very wrong about many things.