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bug77 Yeah, we do not have clear numbers, but we can get a somewhat semi-acurate picture based on number of DE's, it's forks and so on. I agree that such discussion is dragging down threads and annoys people tho.
starshipeleven It can be better than polls, it ireally depends on specific situation, that's what I've tried to explain. Also, I don't like when my sentences are ripped out of contexts, so I apologize for not following your method of discussion, you did ripped few out of context.
Yes, those are OS independent statistics, however, they are not pointless to GNU/Linux, I did bring them up to point out at the fact that depending on geographical areas (and source ofc., but we know about sources already), statistics could be quite different, so that whole thing is in one sentence and relates to your other question/quote of you asking me about "without doubt" thing considering KDE, sure, you can say it is my own speculation, but what here isn't speculation? This is informed speculation, based on common sense and experience, I really doubt tehre would be anyone who would argue that KDE is more popular (in percentage) in any other place compaered to it.
Well, as i said, polls are nonsense,a dn you can make it to be whatever you want to be, and it is very dependent on env. where youa re doing the poll, and yes, both factors are included, KDE Plasma jsut coming out, and GNOME 3 being much worse than what it is now, but i think KDE Plasma just coming out is more relevant factor, since it was even biger buggy mess back then (i tried it at that time), especially on Ubuntu.
Well I disagree with you here, "distro hoppers" are not unusual thing at all considering those downloads, but you might have a point here, since msot people who install Arch know what they want, and they tend to do less "distro hopping", still, argument of location still stands, and I am not sure about Manjaro, I know it have it's own repositories, and I'm not sure if it shares enough Arch repositories to make an impact on those statistics.
Why would I be buthurt? I liked Cinnamon (till X apps, idk what they are thinking with it...), but that doesn't change the fact it is GNOME-based distro, in fact GNOME-3 based distro, if we speak about MATE, it is copy paste of gnome 2, with some improvements and quite a bit of developement, so, if it walks like a duck...., what Griffin is talking about is something else, I am not a fanboy of anything, I'm using what works for me, while it is true that GTK+ does not equal GNOME, it is also true that GNOME project did GTK toolikt, and that most DE's use that toolkit not because GNOME Project developers used gun on their head and made them use it, but because other reasons. If you want example of DE moving to QT toolkit, you have great example with Budgie DE, it's GNOME-based DE, it is practically GNOME 3 without shell, with Budgie-panel, similar to what Cinnamon is, now let's see where that project togheter with Solus would lead, I do not want to make any predictions.
Cinnamon and MATE are completely different, as i said already, Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3 while MATE is based on GNOME 2, however, MATE developers transitioned it to GTK3+ toolkit, still gnome 2 base tho. Cinnamon and Plasma have more in common layout/design than MATE and any of the two, at least default layout.
starshipeleven It can be better than polls, it ireally depends on specific situation, that's what I've tried to explain. Also, I don't like when my sentences are ripped out of contexts, so I apologize for not following your method of discussion, you did ripped few out of context.
Yes, those are OS independent statistics, however, they are not pointless to GNU/Linux, I did bring them up to point out at the fact that depending on geographical areas (and source ofc., but we know about sources already), statistics could be quite different, so that whole thing is in one sentence and relates to your other question/quote of you asking me about "without doubt" thing considering KDE, sure, you can say it is my own speculation, but what here isn't speculation? This is informed speculation, based on common sense and experience, I really doubt tehre would be anyone who would argue that KDE is more popular (in percentage) in any other place compaered to it.
Well, as i said, polls are nonsense,a dn you can make it to be whatever you want to be, and it is very dependent on env. where youa re doing the poll, and yes, both factors are included, KDE Plasma jsut coming out, and GNOME 3 being much worse than what it is now, but i think KDE Plasma just coming out is more relevant factor, since it was even biger buggy mess back then (i tried it at that time), especially on Ubuntu.
Well I disagree with you here, "distro hoppers" are not unusual thing at all considering those downloads, but you might have a point here, since msot people who install Arch know what they want, and they tend to do less "distro hopping", still, argument of location still stands, and I am not sure about Manjaro, I know it have it's own repositories, and I'm not sure if it shares enough Arch repositories to make an impact on those statistics.
Why would I be buthurt? I liked Cinnamon (till X apps, idk what they are thinking with it...), but that doesn't change the fact it is GNOME-based distro, in fact GNOME-3 based distro, if we speak about MATE, it is copy paste of gnome 2, with some improvements and quite a bit of developement, so, if it walks like a duck...., what Griffin is talking about is something else, I am not a fanboy of anything, I'm using what works for me, while it is true that GTK+ does not equal GNOME, it is also true that GNOME project did GTK toolikt, and that most DE's use that toolkit not because GNOME Project developers used gun on their head and made them use it, but because other reasons. If you want example of DE moving to QT toolkit, you have great example with Budgie DE, it's GNOME-based DE, it is practically GNOME 3 without shell, with Budgie-panel, similar to what Cinnamon is, now let's see where that project togheter with Solus would lead, I do not want to make any predictions.
Cinnamon and MATE are completely different, as i said already, Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3 while MATE is based on GNOME 2, however, MATE developers transitioned it to GTK3+ toolkit, still gnome 2 base tho. Cinnamon and Plasma have more in common layout/design than MATE and any of the two, at least default layout.
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