Ubuntu 16.10 Isn't Going To Use Mir / Unity 8 By Default

[unixfan2001]

I dont understand ubuntu. I am not a huge fan of systemds policy to absorb everything(doesnt seem very unix-like) but why does ubuntu feel the need to reinvent the wheel instead of helping development on wayland and systemd? They are just hurting themselves and linux in the end. Wayland could have been in a better state and now we have two pieces of software being slow to deliver.

1. systemd is very Unix like (as opposed to SysVInit, which is not). It doesn't "absorb" anything and its tools all do one job and they do it well.
2. Did you miss the part where Ubuntu switched to systemd for most of the OS?

[unixfan2001]

Wayland on Linux desktop environment will be the default first. MIR on Canonical heavily derives from Wayland the former owes it's existence. Designing a protocol for desktop environment is extremely difficult considering the complexity. Even the OS X took so long to mature for what it is.
The fact is Canonical lack manpower.

It doesn't derive from Wayland. It merely re-uses some common infrastructure such as the Mesa EGL implementation and libhybris.
They're not even the same thing. Mir is a full blown display server whereas Wayland is merely a protocol and framework for the implementation of such (although they're called compositors rather than display servers here).

[tenplus1]

Since the install .iso is moving towards 2gb, why not add unity 8 alongside 7 and let the users choose are login or during install which they'd rather use.

[Dick Palmer]

Fedora is pretty close to accomplishing that.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features

God this thread is depressing. Two sets of braindead fanbois bickering over which team's propaganda is the more doubleplustruthy.

GROW UP

YOUR stuff will be ready WHEN IT'S READY. All the sooner if YOU learn the skills to help out, rather than spending your time trying to insult random strangers on the interwebs.

...meanwhile, other people will just get on with doing their thing. Whatever the hell that may be. IF THAT'S OK WITH YOU?!

Live and let live.

Mind YOUR OWN business.

etc... etc...

[bkor]

God this thread is depressing. Two sets of braindead fanbois bickering over which team's propaganda is the more doubleplustruthy.

Canonical claimed loads of incorrect things about Wayland. The reason for starting Mir is still not very clear. One of the stated reasons for starting Mir was to be able to be quicker than Wayland.

It's entirely logical that people now validate their claims. It's also very funny to see that Mir is not too far along while only being for one desktop. Wayland has multiple desktops with varying stages of progress. But for GNOME, you can pretty much use it minus various "paper cut" issues.

If you entirely ignore what happened in the past, then I could understand your "live and let live". But the past happened and it is quite funny to see Mir didn't deliver much or anything.

[F1esDgSdUTYpm0iy]

rather than spending your time trying to insult random strangers on the interwebs.

[Masush5]

No. Fedora uses Wayland for login already. Not XWayland. The work being now is to switch GNOME to use Wayland by default as well. Fedora is pretty close to accomplishing that.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features

Well mutter and therefore gdm (GNOME's display-/loginmanager) still unconditionally depends on X11 and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
So no login screen without Xwayland.
Reference: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759538

[RahulSundaram]

Well mutter and therefore gdm (GNOME's display-/loginmanager) still unconditionally depends on X11 and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
So no login screen without Xwayland.
Reference: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759538

Mutter does depend on XWayland for compatibility with Xorg apps. That doesn't change the fact that login in Fedora uses Wayland and not XWayland. Even when Fedora switches to Wayland for the desktop session, XWayland will continue to be a dependency for compatibility for quite a long time. Therefore, unconditionally depending on it isn't much of a difference in practice.

[franglais125]

Keep calm and stop ranting!

That was not a rant. I was merely pointing out that some guy was entirely wrong, and spreading bad information. Saying that Debian should have Mir by default can confuse people that don't know much about the subject.
My answer to you (IOW take your own advice):

Mind YOUR OWN business.

[Masush5]

Mutter does depend on XWayland for compatibility with Xorg apps. That doesn't change the fact that login in Fedora uses Wayland and not XWayland. Even when Fedora switches to Wayland for the desktop session, XWayland will continue to be a dependency for compatibility for quite a long time. Therefore, unconditionally depending on it isn't much of a difference in practice.

Even if you only run wayland native apps or even just the login screen Xwayland is required. You can easily confirm this by switching to a tty and checking 'top' while only the gdm loginscreen is running. You'll seen an Xwayland instance. The fedora login screen (which is based on gdm and mutter) still does some X11 calls and can't run without Xwayland. Also you end up with 2 Xwayland session once you actually lauch the gnome shell, one for gdm and one for your desktop.