Ubuntu 16.10 Isn't Going To Use Mir / Unity 8 By Default

[F1esDgSdUTYpm0iy]

Honestly, I don't care if they ultimately end up dropping Mir. As long as they drop X right along with it. I cannot stand that behemothic dinosaur of a protocol any more. Decades of continuous extensions have left it only marginally more useable than either of its supposed successors (Mir and Wayland).

[DrYak]

Speaking about Wayland/Mir being default, Wayland has been used in production on mobile for quite some time in the form of Sailfish OS on Jolla smartphones.

[dvanzo]

So now where are all the Ubuntu zealots who were shitting on Wayland for being too slow to come and believed every of Shuttleworth's words about Unity 8/Mir default for Ubuntu 14.04 ?

Years of useless PR later, Unity 8 on Mir didn't reach alpha-quality on desktop yet (while GNOME on Wayland is almost ready for daily use).

Are you aware this is not a Mir issue but an Unity 8 issue? And about GNOME on Wayland is almost ready the keyword is "almost". It could be for you but for the rest?

[justmy2cents]

Well, Wayland is also still not the default. So, Canonical isn't the only one struggling. I remember the talk about Fedora 21 using Wayland by default!

there is a big difference. wayland is being usable in Fedora for a long time by just selecting "Gnome on Wayland" in gdm. all the reasons why default is not enabled are more or less things reported by users.

ubuntu on the other hand only did similar thing in 16.04 and in much worse/less functional state than wayland/Gnome was on Fedora in 21. so far, users couldn't even test more or less anything to report real life usage deficiencies

[justmy2cents]

Are you aware this is not a Mir issue but an Unity 8 issue? And about GNOME on Wayland is almost ready the keyword is "almost". It could be for you but for the rest?

how is that any different? which other compositor/DE can you run natively? face it, but if you design new type of railroad, it is completely useless even in finished state until you also have a fitting train. more so, you didn't put it to real test yet

[liam]

One can also install Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, install gnome-session-wayland package, choice Wayland in gdm, and voila...

Yes, you can install gnome on ubuntu.
I'd rather stay with fedora, though, and be a part those who are pushing forward linux, and oss in general.

[liam]

Wayland is shaping up but there are still many bugs, random crashes back to the login manager, and a heavy dependence on XWayland for most apps to function. I doubt it will be viable for at least a couple more years.

For instance, GNOME on Wayland doesn't even yet support displaying icons on the desktop. Whats up with that?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_t...owing_in_GNOME

That said, I did come up with a hack solution for icons on GNOME Wayland at least:

Screenshot: http://images.akamai.steamuserconten...37B1EAB6B97B2/

#!/bin/bash

# Name: waylandicons.sh
# Author: Xaero_Vincent
# Date: 5/3/2016
# Requires: GNOME 3.x, SpaceFM, Openbox, Maim, Wayland, XWayland, Xephyr
# Purpose: A script to workaround missing GNOME desktop icons on Wayland
# Usage: 'waylandicons.sh /path/wallpaper.jpg/png' 'screen resolution X' 'screen resolution Y'
# Example: ./waylandicons.sh '/usr\/share\/backgrounds\/gnome\/Road.jpg' '1600' '900' '2'
# Info: GNOME '.desktop' launcher shortcuts should use 'env DISPLAY=:0 command'
# Info: The 'resolution' arguments should be set the same as the current monitor resolution
# Info: The last argument specifies the number of icon columns needed

wallpaper=$1
resX=$2
resY=$3
columns=$4

rm /home/$USER/Pictures/waylandbackg.png
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri file:///$(echo $wallpaper | tr -d '\\')
sleep 2
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-options "stretched"
sleep 2

sed -i '17s/.*wallpaper.*/wallpaper=\'$wallpaper'/' /home/$USER/.config/spacefm/session
mkdir /home/$USER/icontmp
mv /home/$USER/Desktop/* /home/$USER/icontmp

Xephyr -title "Configuring Background..." -ac -noreset -screen $resX'x'$resY :1 &
spacefm --display=:1 --desktop &
sleep 2
DISPLAY=:1 maim -g $((125*$columns))x$(($resY-100))x0x64 /home/$USER/Pictures/waylandbackg.png
sed -i '17s/.*wallpaper.*/wallpaper=\/home\/'$USER'\/Pictures\/waylandbackg.png/' /home/$USER/.config/spacefm/session
sleep 2
mv /home/$USER/icontmp/* /home/$USER/Desktop
rmdir /home/$USER/icontmp
killall -9 Xephyr
killall -9 spacefm
sleep 2

Xephyr -title "Desktop Icons" -ac -noreset -screen $((125*$columns))x$(($resY-100)) :1 &
DISPLAY=:1 openbox-session &
spacefm --display=:1 --desktop &

What's up with that?
What's up is that to even see this bug you need to toggle a gsettings value (false by default).
Wayland is usable NOW, and will be quite a bit better with 24.

[zanny]

It certainly is a mistake. Four years now talking about convergence, and proving it to all be talk over and over again. I'd have said 14.10 was the right time to start climbing the mountain getting Unity 8 production ready, but not having it even for 18.04 will be a disgrace if that comes to transpire, and it seems very poorly planned if they mean to upset so many internals in 17.04.

[woprandi]

Cant see how Mir or Wayland will be default instead of Xorg in the next 2 years on any major distro.

Fedora is close

[Dick Palmer]

- Canonical dropped Upstart after essentially the whole community opted against Upstart, Debian was only the last large member. ANd calling it "damn Debian"? Seriously? Ubuntu gets all the free work from Debian.

Damn is a verb, not an adjective. You're probably thinking of damned - which wouldn't fit grammatically where the author clearly meant to be using a verb.

Keep calm and stop ranting!