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    Phoronix: Taiwins 0.3 Released As Newest Wayland Compositor Release

    Introduced last year was Taiwins as a compact Wayland compositor. While early on it began using Sway's WLROOTS library, it ended up writing its own Wayland compositor library (libtaiwins) and recently hit its version 0.3 milestone...

    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...s-0.3-Released

  • #2
    How many independent wayland compositors are there for Linux users?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by nist View Post
      How many independent wayland compositors are there for Linux users?
      The more the merrier in my opinion, since that is what typically lead to fast progress overall. I don't mind a 'de facto' standard, as long as that is the result of its technical merits, rather than a lack of competition.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nist View Post
        How many independent wayland compositors are there for Linux users?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ervers#Wayland

        wiki lists 11. neglecting taiwains though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fafreeman View Post
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ervers#Wayland

          wiki lists 11. neglecting taiwains though.
          But a great deal of those listed on Wikipedia rely on WLROOTS.
          This includes
          • Sway (reference implementation)
          • Wayfire
          • Way Cooler
          • Hikari
          also missing here is valve's gamescope (also dependent on WLROOTS)

          So basically there are (ordered in context of utilisability/usability to my perception, note this is totally subjective...)
          • WLROOTS
          • Mutter
          • Kwin
          • Weston
          • Enlightment
          • Mir
          • Taiwins

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          • #6
            Originally posted by nist View Post
            How many independent wayland compositors are there for Linux users?
            probably already as many as independent Xorg/X11 compositors.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
              probably already as many as independent Xorg/X11 compositors.
              Over history there has been over 30+ different implementations of the X11 server bit with no common shared code. There is also over 13 different X11 compositors.

              last 20 years of Linux we got use to X11 server=x.org X11 server without the competitors. The reality is before 2000 there were quite a few different X11 servers that commercials parties were selling for Linux, BSD and Unix systems.. The early time frame of X11 is quite fragmented.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

                Over history there has been over 30+ different implementations of the X11 server bit with no common shared code. There is also over 13 different X11 compositors.

                last 20 years of Linux we got use to X11 server=x.org X11 server without the competitors. The reality is before 2000 there were quite a few different X11 servers that commercials parties were selling for Linux, BSD and Unix systems.. The early time frame of X11 is quite fragmented.
                Keep in mind, Xorg only exists since 2004, and it still had to run as root to run DDX drivers until 2008 with the release of DRI2. Only after DRI2, it got proper GPU access.

                I love how the X fans pretend that X was such a stable solution for all those years when in fact it was not, it was everything but a standardized proper working system. At best, you could say that its somewhat acceptable since the DRI3 release in 2013.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post

                  Keep in mind, Xorg only exists since 2004, and it still had to run as root to run DDX drivers until 2008 with the release of DRI2. Only after DRI2, it got proper GPU access.

                  I love how the X fans pretend that X was such a stable solution for all those years when in fact it was not, it was everything but a standardized proper working system. At best, you could say that its somewhat acceptable since the DRI3 release in 2013.
                  Most people who say that talk about X11 API, which was quite stable and coprehensive enough to create applications with. The point is X11 provide stable API front for application developers, which include most necessary primitives - like image drawing, text rendering, primitives drawing. Yes, some of that become outdated today. Yes, implementation focus have been shifted from network transparency to local rendering, thus making a lot of X11 just unnecessary for most people. Does it make X11 completely bad? No.

                  With Wayland API, you still need to import additional libraries for anything beyond basic input handling and framebuffer operations, no font rendering, no shared resources caching, no primitives drawing. Good progress.
                  Last edited by blacknova; 04 May 2021, 07:35 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by blacknova View Post

                    With Wayland API, you still need to import additional libraries for anything beyond basic input handling and framebuffer operations, no font rendering, no shared resources caching, no primitives drawing. Good progress.
                    Don't forget about the crap proposal of using VNC to remote desktop when we all are moving to 4K or 8K monitors.

                    Hopefully, a bit more sanity will be inserted on Wayland soon.

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