KDE Plasma 5.21 Now In Beta With Much Improved Wayland Support

[nist]

Under Xorg I changed Kwin with Openbox for betting performace (yes, Kwin is a mess for me) in the past, but under Wayland this is not possible because Kwin is mandatory.

[Alexmitter]

Plasma under Wayland is mostly okay now. The Wayland showstopper for me is that anything running in Xwayland has blurry fonts on a HiDPI display which renders (literally) the whole concept of using a Wayland session completely unusable.

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

[JackLilhammers]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

IIRC it's the same on Windows, am I wrong?

[qarium]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

sure you can fix that by AI deep learning upscalling. you can try it manuelly with vector grafic editor you vectorize a pixel image and then you scale it up. nvidia DLSS2 and AMD super resolution does this in hardware.

this is maybe not PERFECT but the result will be much better than what we have now.

[aufkrawall]

The article is a bit too much fixated on Wayland. Actually KWin's vsync on Xorg was much more needy of improvements and works well now (with non-mixed refresh rates only, of course). Though of course the Wayland improvements are great too and it gets more and more usable.

I btw. just got rid of any launcher in my taskbar and rely only on krunner. It really is a keeper.

[darkbasic]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

Wrong, they could fix their compositor so that Firefox doesn't crash on Wayland so you won't have to use it under XWayland.

[aufkrawall]

Wrong, they could fix their compositor so that Firefox doesn't crash on Wayland so you won't have to use it under XWayland.

Bug report?

[bug77]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

If it can render than scale, I see no reason it can't render at native resolution and scale down. It won't look perfect, but most likely better than scaling up.

[darkbasic]

Bug report?

Pointless, it's broken since forever and everybody knows it. Besides I'm tired of the poor state of Plasma on Wayland and I've recently switched to Gnome.

[JackLilhammers]

Pointless, it's broken since forever and everybody knows it. Besides I'm tired of the poor state of Plasma on Wayland and I've recently switched to Gnome.

Well, if not using Wayland is a deal breaker for you. Gnome is pretty much your only option for now. Why even bother with Kde when it Plasma Wayland is still at a beta stage, at best?