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  • #41
    Originally posted by theriddick View Post
    electricity is not a unlimited resource...
    The issue isn't that, but the damage of using some specific types of limited resources to generate it.

    If they were using nuclear plants or some kind of half-decent hydroelectric system (marine maybe) it would be effectively be unlimited, the so-called "too cheap to meter" electricity back then when nuclear was still seen as the future.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
      Yes, because if the other person wasn't pulling out straight fucking murder in his analogy I don't see why you should.

      One thing is doing a minusucule amount of harm to future generations (minusucule if counted as what you did as an individual) which can become an issue (or not) only as part of a far larger movement of people, and another is taking a gun to the face of someone and killing him outright.

      I just detected standard JSW patterns of comparing everything they don't like to fucking murder for the sake of causing a reaction. Sorry but that's bs and I'll have to point it out.
      Funny, I detected standard SJW (i guess this is what you wanted to type, right?) patterns when you did the common "did you really just compare X to Y??"

      So should I have used your car as an analogy you can't just drive wherever and whenever you want? What about the sound box you bought and you can't just use to play full volume whenever wherever? Are you unable to think that far yourself? Did you really assume I wouldn't be able to come up with examples much closer?

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Weasel View Post
        Wasting electricity infringes on your property or your life how exactly?
        It wastes energy produced most likely with oil or natural gas or even good old coal, which does have an impact on the environment, not just CO2 emissions but also (much more importantly) pollution, not just at the plant but all the way up the supply chain to the actual mine or drilling rig that extracted it.

        While it's not comparable to straight murder it's still technically a bad thing to do.

        If the power sources didn't suck balls (as cited above, nuclear or some other type of "renewable" power source) then yeah it would really not matter much.

        If you say it's about "the common good" to not waste electricity, you realize that's a commie statement right? It's even in the name.
        More like socialist, which is more of a middleground. Communism is complete removal of private property, that's the other extreme and is just as wrong as pure unfettered individualism.

        Until we are still living on the same planet with the same ecosystem it would not hurt to be a little bit socialist on these things.

        Once we finally break free and colonize space, then you can go full hardcore individualist as the failure of your stuff in your private property won't affect someone living in another space station or colony with a completely independent power and life support system.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Weasel View Post
          Well, I'll bite and reply respectfully. Your analogy doesn't hold. Because I'm not your property and my face is not your property, either, even if it wasn't murder.

          So no, you can't even shoot my property, much less my face. Feel free to shoot yours though. (your property, not your face, but feel free to do that too if you want)

          Wasting electricity infringes on your property or your life how exactly?


          If you say it's about "the common good" to not waste electricity, you realize that's a commie statement right? It's even in the name.
          Is it my property that suffers because the coal power plant next to it produces more pollution to keep up with your increased energy demand? Yes it is. Just how your face is your property that suffers from me pointing my gun into it's direction and pulling the trigger.

          See, I don't need to rely on the "common good" I can stay full libertarian with you. I can also make the same claim with the air that is worse because of increased energy demand or I can claim my electric devices (which are my property) which function worse because of unnecessary energy demand. I can also simply change me directly shooting you in the face with randomly shooting in your direction.

          The analogy is very simply tied to your argument that if you bought something you damn well can do with it as you please or else it's commie shit, which is flat out bullshit.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by sjekkel View Post
            Is it my property that suffers because the coal power plant next to it produces more pollution to keep up with your increased energy demand? Yes it is.
            I don't care? It's not my business how the electricity got there and not my problem. I simply bought it -- legally.

            If the coal power plant pollutes your face, go sue the government or whoever is in charge of it. Not my problem in the least.

            Originally posted by sjekkel View Post
            I can also make the same claim with the air that is worse because of increased energy demand or I can claim my electric devices (which are my property) which function worse because of unnecessary energy demand.
            Yeah you can, but I paid for it, so I have the right to use it how I see fit when it involves only my property. I didn't pay for the pollution, I paid for electricity. I don't produce the pollution, it's the people who sell it that do (or the government, depending on country).

            If electricity was scarce in this case, its price would go up. Then, if you don't like it, go pay more than me and outbid me and get your electricity. Or produce your own (solar panels, whatever).

            Free market is cool eh?

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            • #46
              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              It wastes energy produced most likely with oil or natural gas or even good old coal, which does have an impact on the environment, not just CO2 emissions but also (much more importantly) pollution, not just at the plant but all the way up the supply chain to the actual mine or drilling rig that extracted it.

              While it's not comparable to straight murder it's still technically a bad thing to do.
              It's not a bad thing to do at all. Because I'm not the one polluting; the ones producing it are. It's also legal, and if you really have a gripe with it, then push to make coal power plants illegal (I'll even support you in this case, btw).

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                I don't care? It's not my business how the electricity got there and not my problem. I simply bought it -- legally.

                If the coal power plant pollutes your face, go sue the government or whoever is in charge of it. Not my problem in the least.

                Yeah you can, but I paid for it, so I have the right to use it how I see fit when it involves only my property. I didn't pay for the pollution, I paid for electricity. I don't produce the pollution, it's the people who sell it that do (or the government, depending on country).

                If electricity was scarce in this case, its price would go up. Then, if you don't like it, go pay more than me and outbid me and get your electricity. Or produce your own (solar panels, whatever).

                Free market is cool eh?
                If the bullet I shot from my gun ruins your face that's your problem not mine. I don't care about any outside influences I only care about myself and me shooting that gun. If you don't want your face to be ruined by my bullet go complain to the government.

                I didn't kill you, it was the bullet. I just pulled the trigger of the gun I bought, I didn't buy your death.

                I love arguing as an extreme egocentric, it's so very easy lol.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                  Unless you cite the reasons and the rationale you followed to reach the conclusion, you can't know if this is just another case of "I saw what I wanted to see" or actual truth.

                  Especially if you started with a conclusion already in your mind. Human mind plays tricks all the time. That's why scientific method requires multiple independent verification from third parties to even consider something.
                  Sorry to inform you but you have done exactly what you have just stated. Except for the scientific part.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by sjekkel View Post
                    If the bullet I shot from my gun ruins your face that's your problem not mine. I don't care about any outside influences I only care about myself and me shooting that gun. If you don't want your face to be ruined by my bullet go complain to the government.

                    I didn't kill you, it was the bullet. I just pulled the trigger of the gun I bought, I didn't buy your death.

                    I love arguing as an extreme egocentric, it's so very easy lol.
                    I guess I found the 5 year old.

                    FYI, IANAL but most likely legally speaking, your bullet is your property, and if it wasn't, it was stolen property so it would amount to the same thing.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                      I guess I found the 5 year old.

                      FYI, IANAL but most likely legally speaking, your bullet is your property, and if it wasn't, it was stolen property so it would amount to the same thing.
                      The load you put on the grid that makes my devices run worse is also your property, your point being? Is that to hard to understand for a 3 year old?

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