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The Maß Is Empty: Munich Switching Back To Windows After ~14 Years With Linux
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Originally posted by anarki2 View Post"Munich was going back in bed with Microsoft"
The butthurt is strong with this one. An unbiased statement would be like "Munich goes from Linux' bed to Microsoft's". Also, how has your Macbook been working out for ya, Michael? I guess you're going to bed with Apple, then? What the hell. You can require manual approval on my comments, won't make you less of a hypocrite.
You can, however get into bed with companies that you have close personal and business ties to, based on a biased study.
"Reasons cited were adoption and users being unhappy with the lack of software available for Linux."
So yeah, this happens when you make business decisions based on your personal preferences instead of your "company's" needs. It wasn't even clear what problem they were trying to solve.
"The reason for the migration was the end of support for Windows NT 4 by Microsoft in late 2003; thus a replacement of it was necessary."
Like no sh*t, upgrades are necessary for software? Instead of buying upgrade licenses, they could spend money on rebasing LiMux to newer Ubuntu/Debian releases.
Easy, simple, elegant, quick... not to mention it would have had near 0 development cost... which is in stark contrast with the upgrade cost of a Microsoft-based ecosystem consisting of tens of thousands of machines.
Also, "get rid of Microsoft" is not a problem that needs to be solved, that's just personal hatred, not a business goal.
The overreliance on Microsoft products also paved the way for MS switching most of their software to a SAAS model. Which is a huge cost increase over time for enterprises/governments who often rely on the same software versions for quite a long time.
It was also unproven and unverifiable that they would actually spare some money with Linux and LibreOffice. They "saved" 12m EUR by switching to OSS, but at the same time, the project cost 14m and took 10 friggin' years of work. Whoa, that's some serious savings indeed.
The project did cost 14 million €, but as you see, the current switch back to MS costs almost three times that amount, and that is not including support and software subscription fees over the years. By the time the switch is done, München will have spent 5-6-7 times more on the MS ecosystem than they did on the whole LiMux project...
Your tax euros, hard at work!
Morale of the story: don't make decisions with emotions. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.Last edited by OneBitUser; 27 November 2017, 02:26 PM.
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As usual i read comments like "linux not adapted for desktop usage in a large organisation". "Not for civil servants or corporate idiots" etc etc... Or "OMG ! How do we make non microsoft technology behave like it was a microsoft technology ? "
Well, the French Gendarmerie (militarized police) ditched microsoft alltogether. 82 000 computers. Desktop usage. A small summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
How do they obtain word format compatibility ? They don't. They made the OpendDocument format their standard. That is called making choices. They do not use Outlook, nor Active Directory. Photoshop neither. They use GIMP too.
It proves that competent people can and will do it.
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Originally posted by Dedale View PostAs usual i read comments like "linux not adapted for desktop usage in a large organisation". "Not for civil servants or corporate idiots" etc etc... Or "OMG ! How do we make non microsoft technology behave like it was a microsoft technology ? "
Well, the French Gendarmerie (militarized police) ditched microsoft alltogether. 82 000 computers. Desktop usage. A small summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
How do they obtain word format compatibility ? They don't. The made the OpendDocument format their standard. That is called making choices. They do not use Outlook, nor Active Directory. Photoshop neither. They use GIMP too.
It proves that competent people can and will do it.
Though your GendBuntu link also points to the OpenDocument page on Wikipedia.
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Originally posted by edwaleni View Post
Point made was no one really gives a rip what the OS is anymore. That was the connection to the story. The surface may call it politics, the rest of us just say so what. As long as Munich gets what they need, who cares? Just look for the next opportunity.
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I read many comments here presuming that the reason to switch back to Windows was compatibility problems with Microsoft Office. Does anyone know if there is licence restriction or anything like that which forbids to run Microsoft Office on GNU/Linux? I personally have Microsoft Office 2010 installed at work on my Ubuntu since 2014 using Wine, and it is working very well. Why can't Munich do that?
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Originally posted by Flaburgan View PostI read many comments here presuming that the reason to switch back to Windows was compatibility problems with Microsoft Office. Does anyone know if there is licence restriction or anything like that which forbids to run Microsoft Office on GNU/Linux? I personally have Microsoft Office 2010 installed at work on my Ubuntu since 2014 using Wine, and it is working very well. Why can't Munich do that?
On the other hand, increasingly locked MS ecosystem is pulling people in - governments get significant discounts, education gets free licenses so that they can lock in students into their ecosystem. I find it surprising that they would actually go back from Linux tho, after they got trough initial jump (teaching people to use open office and stuff), spending equal ammount of money on teaching people to work on windows must be somewhat painfull (even though less than the other way around because majority of people used windows at some point).Last edited by Guest; 04 December 2017, 04:26 PM.
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Originally posted by OneBitUser View Post
Nice!
Though your GendBuntu link also points to the OpenDocument page on Wikipedia.
Also useful:
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/fre...merie-open-sou
http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-m...nux-7000021479Last edited by Nth_man; 07 December 2017, 06:42 AM.
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