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  • #71
    Originally posted by leipero View Post
    Statistics are used on .de server/domain, from what I do understand (correct me if I'm wrong), those are local statistics for that one (or few) server alone, not global statistics.
    Which is still better than polls, anyway.

    depending on source, in Germany Firefox range from popularity of slightly higher than global to almost equal as Chrome, while global statistics never put Firefox more than 1/3 of Chrome share.
    Are these statistics about browser marketshare (i.e. mostly Windows)? Because that's kinda pointless for linux.

    Furthermore I don't know the dates of those statistics, if they are current or not..., but let's assume they are curent,
    there is a tiny link in the end of the page that links to this https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/wiki...deatenschutz that says it's updated weekly

    KDE have, without doubt, peak popularity in Germany, I don't think there's anyone who would deny that fact, making those statistics even more irrelevant.
    I like how you are "without doubt" here. Please tell me more and back it up somehow with something that isn't just your own speculation.

    On polls, well, you know you should never trust polls, sicne they are at best biased by environment, here is a poll "proving" (if soemone would argue...) that KDE is most popular DE:
    http://www.cio.com/article/2881172/s...vironment.html
    That poll still proves my point, even the most rabid pro-kde multi-distro polls don't give the "winning" DE more than 30% ish marketshare, KDE there is at like 30%, xfce is also at high percentage, while GNOME was underrepresented for some reason (probably because there is more people with Cinnamon from Linux Mint screwing up that statistic), but the overall trend is similar.
    No obvious clear winner.

    But those are very outdated polls we both used, at the time when KDE Plasma got out with stable version..., so even that factor alone could influence polls in that time frame.
    Or the fact that GNOME 3 was crappier in 2015, of course.
    Anyway, I just pulled a random poll from a quick Google search, these poll's value is for setting the trend more than give a snapshot of the current situation.

    Also, toa dd, number of downloads isn't indicative of number of users,
    Yeah, but the amount of people that does that isn't usually a lot. People install a DE to use their PC, not to test stuff repeatedly.

    Those statistics Griffin used have same flaws of those statistics others used, but if we want to be real for a second, we hae to aknowledge that Gnome+other gnome-based DE's and/or GTK+ based DE's are wastly more popular than KDE+KDE/QT based DE's, and it is not by a small margin. Even XFCE is GTK+ based, MATE etc. and GTK+ comes from GNOME project, so the impact that project have can't be overstated.
    aah, so you GNOME fanboi are so much butthurt sore losers that you shift the goalposts and now it's about desktop toolkits. Also Griffin pulled something like this in the past.

    Sorry but Cinnamon and MATE are NOT GNOME, they are independent forks, and the fact that XFCE uses GTK does not make it GNOME.
    They have sane GUI design, for starters.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
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      They have sane GUI design, for starters.
      According to whose study?

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      • #73
        bug77 Yeah, we do not have clear numbers, but we can get a somewhat semi-acurate picture based on number of DE's, it's forks and so on. I agree that such discussion is dragging down threads and annoys people tho.

        starshipeleven It can be better than polls, it ireally depends on specific situation, that's what I've tried to explain. Also, I don't like when my sentences are ripped out of contexts, so I apologize for not following your method of discussion, you did ripped few out of context.

        Yes, those are OS independent statistics, however, they are not pointless to GNU/Linux, I did bring them up to point out at the fact that depending on geographical areas (and source ofc., but we know about sources already), statistics could be quite different, so that whole thing is in one sentence and relates to your other question/quote of you asking me about "without doubt" thing considering KDE, sure, you can say it is my own speculation, but what here isn't speculation? This is informed speculation, based on common sense and experience, I really doubt tehre would be anyone who would argue that KDE is more popular (in percentage) in any other place compaered to it.

        Well, as i said, polls are nonsense,a dn you can make it to be whatever you want to be, and it is very dependent on env. where youa re doing the poll, and yes, both factors are included, KDE Plasma jsut coming out, and GNOME 3 being much worse than what it is now, but i think KDE Plasma just coming out is more relevant factor, since it was even biger buggy mess back then (i tried it at that time), especially on Ubuntu.

        Well I disagree with you here, "distro hoppers" are not unusual thing at all considering those downloads, but you might have a point here, since msot people who install Arch know what they want, and they tend to do less "distro hopping", still, argument of location still stands, and I am not sure about Manjaro, I know it have it's own repositories, and I'm not sure if it shares enough Arch repositories to make an impact on those statistics.

        Why would I be buthurt? I liked Cinnamon (till X apps, idk what they are thinking with it...), but that doesn't change the fact it is GNOME-based distro, in fact GNOME-3 based distro, if we speak about MATE, it is copy paste of gnome 2, with some improvements and quite a bit of developement, so, if it walks like a duck...., what Griffin is talking about is something else, I am not a fanboy of anything, I'm using what works for me, while it is true that GTK+ does not equal GNOME, it is also true that GNOME project did GTK toolikt, and that most DE's use that toolkit not because GNOME Project developers used gun on their head and made them use it, but because other reasons. If you want example of DE moving to QT toolkit, you have great example with Budgie DE, it's GNOME-based DE, it is practically GNOME 3 without shell, with Budgie-panel, similar to what Cinnamon is, now let's see where that project togheter with Solus would lead, I do not want to make any predictions.

        Cinnamon and MATE are completely different, as i said already, Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3 while MATE is based on GNOME 2, however, MATE developers transitioned it to GTK3+ toolkit, still gnome 2 base tho. Cinnamon and Plasma have more in common layout/design than MATE and any of the two, at least default layout.

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        • #74
          https://extensions.gnome.org/

          Currently 81 pages of extensions and Gnome is labelled as not configurable. You can bend it and shape it and theme it anyway your imagination can manage.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by grege View Post
            https://extensions.gnome.org/

            Currently 81 pages of extensions and Gnome is labelled as not configurable. You can bend it and shape it and theme it anyway your imagination can manage.
            Before I give it a try again can anyone tell me if you can get rid of all the nonsense and just have a simple taskbar at the bottom of the screen with a normal pop up cascading categorized menu?

            I tried it last year in a VM and wasn't able to do it. I only spent about half a day trying though because I figured if it was that difficult to make a simple desktop I didn't want to support it.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by GdeR View Post

              Usually I just Alt+RightClick and Drag.. this is how you're supposed to resize windows on Xfce.
              On KDE I reconfigure the window manager to use the super/Windows key instead of alt. This is because alt-right-click is the default key binding in Blender for loop-select, which is a very useful function.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by sirblackheart View Post

                According to whose study?
                I think we can agree that all GUIs suck.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by muncrief View Post
                  Before I give it a try again can anyone tell me if you can get rid of all the nonsense and just have a simple taskbar at the bottom of the screen with a normal pop up cascading categorized menu?

                  I tried it last year in a VM and wasn't able to do it. I only spent about half a day trying though because I figured if it was that difficult to make a simple desktop I didn't want to support it.
                  GNOME Flashback, it's part of the default GNOME install, you can select it from the GDM menu with that little gear icon.

                  Will the next customer please step up to the booth?

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by muncrief View Post

                    Before I give it a try again can anyone tell me if you can get rid of all the nonsense and just have a simple taskbar at the bottom of the screen with a normal pop up cascading categorized menu?

                    I tried it last year in a VM and wasn't able to do it. I only spent about half a day trying though because I figured if it was that difficult to make a simple desktop I didn't want to support it.
                    You can use Flashback as suggested above, but you can also simply add a menu and bottom task bar via extensions. Also turn off the hot corner and you have something like the old Gnome 2 but with all the modern goodies of GTK3. I also like Super Flat Remix Gnome Theme that makes the top menu transparent. My personal layout is to use the extension "TaskBar" to add a task bar to the top menu, "Dash to Dock" to add a side self hiding dock and "Removable Drives" which allows mounting and unmounting via a click on the top bar. The theme also makes the dock background transparent.

                    You configure most of Gnome by the app Tweak Tool, not the normal settings. I have also found making font scaling 1.10 makes the fonts render better.

                    Gnome Ubuntu adds many extensions to the default install, the rest are installed via Chrome or Firefox with the Gnome Extension extension and installing from https://extensions.gnome.org You just click on install on the web page - easy.

                    https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/ca.../1/ord/latest/ is a source of themes but they need to be put in a manually created ~/.themes folder

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by sirblackheart View Post
                      According to whose study?
                      MS's win8 market penetration, for starters. Main reason Windows 8 failed hard was the weird interface not suited for desktop pcs. GNOME3 has way too much resemblance to that.

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