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  • #41
    Last time I checked XFCE it was inflexible hog. I went Lubuntu over it for a 7 yr old netbook and an 11 yr old laptop.

    I've been using Mint with Cinnamon for about 7 years. The latest kernel update threw my five monitor setup into a tizzy, so I thought I'd give a bunch of the others a quick run-through to see what shape they're in. I started using Linux in 1994, so I've seen a lot. The mess that I went through with KDE in both Fedora and OpenSuse told me that it has not improved one iota since I last gave it a spin around 2009.

    Furthermore, both of those distros have an unbelievably rotten partition manager. I work with several thousand RHEL servers every day, so I'm very familiar with RH's partition management. Therefore I was extremely amazed that the Fedora approach was worse than what I first experienced back around 17 years ago when Red Hat under the name Red Hat, first came out.

    After fussing around with those, I can understand why more people have not adopted Linux as a desktop. I deem them both absolute bottom of the septic tank garbage. And KDE in its current state, is the corn kernels stuck in that waste.

    I don't have time to mess about with many distros and many desktops, so for now, I'm going to stick with Mint Cinnamon and Lubuntu, based on the profile of the client.

    I understand the move from XFCE, and though Gnome isn't great, I can't argue their move to it.

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    • #42
      Well, I certainly hope XFCE continues to be developed as it's the only GUI that doesn't seem like it's trying to emulate Windows 8/10. I mean sheesh, I could live with a hit on performance but not Windows 8/10 again. I've spent years developing my own custom flat theme, now running on Xubuntu 16.04.2, and it's absolutely beautiful!

      And by the way, the Thunar crash problem when renaming files was fixed awhile ago, and in any case there are quite a few other file managers you can use if you don't like it.

      I really enjoy making my desktop work and look they way I want it to, and unfortunately Gnome and KDE seem to fight customization every inch of the way. Even Mate and Cinnamon seem fairly locked down nowadays.

      My fear is that Microsoft has set a bad example for everyone, and yet many developers still seem to want to follow them. I have no idea why since their last few GUIs have been almost universally panned.

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      • #43
        muncrief , what file manager do you predominantly use on XFCE?

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Griffin View Post
          Peppercats. Go figure. A usable linux desktop can't be heavily customizable. You will run out of developer resources.
          KDE is the most usable desktop. If Gnome doesn't have enough menpower it's Gnome problem. However, how can you say Gnome is usable? It suffers from huge memory leaks and Mutter performance problems. What's worse those memory leaks aren't fixed since years. If they fix this mesd it will be quite good DE. However, I'm afraid main problems are in its core libraries.

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          • #45
            leipero

            How do you know most people don't configure their DE's? Oh, KDE is customizable and this is problem for you? For sane people lack of ability to customize is the problem. Gnome isn't customizable, because it's based on gtk crap which makes things really complicated. Don't fool us it's an advantage. It's huge downside.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Griffin View Post
              Dungeon. Gnome 3.22 is ready for RHEL because Gnome is not overly bloated and unaudited like most KDE5 stuff.

              KDE5 stuff is not allowed in SLE or RHEL because of this. See the point?
              Gnome is not audited at all and it's much more bloated than KDE. I showed you this before. It's just developed by Red Hat friendly guys and this is the reason it's enforced in distributions.

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              • #47
                @griffin

                So, you're denying facts, aren't you? They chose unstable DE with serious problems. I feel sorry for their users until problems are fixed. There's a chance Canonical will make Gnome usable again like they did with Gnome 2. However, I don't think they'll be able to fix technical problems like huge memory leaks all over the place.

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                • #48
                  Griffin

                  I can't even change basic things without gnome tweak, so what the hell are you talking about? There's also no point in making themes, because they break api all the time. Gnome app store is a joke application. Ubuntu has much better equivalent.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by eggbert View Post
                    xfce is barely usable. I'm surprised anyone puts up with it. It's damn near impossible to resize a window by click+dragging the corner of the window. You have to be laser pinpoint accurate and get your mouse pointer on the exact corner pixel. Unfortunately, I've found you have to resize windows often in xfce as they often open in inexplicably weird sizes. And then there's the broken tear-ridden compositor and random thunar crashes...

                    Not a Gnome fan, but it's 100 times better than that mess.
                    Usually I just Alt+RightClick and Drag.. this is how you're supposed to resize windows on Xfce. You don't need that much precision if you do that.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Griffin View Post
                      Dungeon. Gnome 3.22 is ready for RHEL because Gnome is not overly bloated and unaudited like most KDE5 stuff.

                      KDE5 stuff is not allowed in SLE or RHEL because of this. See the point?
                      SLE or RHEL don't use KDE because they have SLAs that would need to cover them and they'd rather only support one DE. Huge difference, but also one beyond your comprehension.

                      As for this "audited" stuff, keep it up. One day you start believing it.

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