Microsoft Joins The Linux Foundation As A Platinum Member

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Nice sockpuppet name, btw.

I new you would be pleased.

[DebianXFCE Jr]

*knew*

[DebianXFCE Jr]

"Microsoft is winning PC market because they have one version of UI, one version of api and everything is backwards compatible. There is software made 20 years ago and still you can run it on latest version of Windows. Can you do this in Linux?"

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You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about here.

As for me it's true. People use something that they are familiar with. If you change GUI layout an ordinary user will feel lost. So, IMO the part about UI is correct, just from my own experience while I was presenting something else than windows to others. UI matters. And you can install dated software more easily on windows than on Linux using wine in most cases. We have 2016 and there are no problems to install and run Halo or Half-Life. Linux has it dependency hell. As for maintaining software you are correct, but... Let take Unity3D as an example. It's closed source. And because Ubuntu is used by most 'ordinary' or new Linux users only this platform is supported. So things should be unified.
Not only for users but for devs. Flatpaks and things like that are some way to deal with it. Yet rather than working on one solution you hear about new ideas. There is wayland and Canonical works on its mir. On some thing companies should join their forces and work on one solution that would make the job done and not compete with each other. You can always start a new solution after you have one already working.

[DebianXFCE Jr]

that is bullshit. for example, i consider mesa, xorg and gnome pretty desktopy
bullshit again. they are changing ui with every release
they won pc market due to shady business practices and since then they are just leveraging their monopoly, which is simple. they won zero markets without monopoly since then. how does their fucking one ui and compatibility help them in smartphones? it doesn't, because it doesn't matter

Can't agree with you on this one. What they do is more of a changing a theme and not UI. Windows still looks like windows. It doesn't look like macOS or Gnome3. So UI stays the same. A modified start isn't a big redesign.

[DebianXFCE Jr]

that is bullshit. for example, i consider mesa, xorg and gnome pretty desktopy
bullshit again. they are changing ui with every release
they won pc market due to shady business practices and since then they are just leveraging their monopoly, which is simple. they won zero markets without monopoly since then. how does their fucking one ui and compatibility help them in smartphones? it doesn't, because it doesn't matter

To proof you're wrong look what happened with windows 8. Not so many people use it or likes it. Why? That's because ms tried to change UI. "For the better." Yeah, right.

[starshipeleven]

As for me it's true. People use something that they are familiar with. If you change GUI layout an ordinary user will feel lost. So, IMO the part about UI is correct, just from my own experience while I was presenting something else than windows to others. UI matters.

Which is one area where Windows is worse. Windows does change the UI every release because they are a bunch of retards or something, and the UI was a major clusterfuck in Windows 8 (tablet-like interface on a desktop, ummmm...), and even for Windows 10 isn't much better (it is getting better though, but on release it was messy).

Linux has many UIs you can choose, but apart from GNOME each one of them usually keeps faithful to what it has always been. None forces you to radically change UI when upgrading (as long as your distro/UI is still alive, anyway), which is more in line with what people actually want.

And you can install dated software more easily on windows than on Linux using wine in most cases.

Yeah, because Wine is garbage, but I don't see what's the point of talking about it here.

We are in 2016 and there are no problems to install and run Halo or Half-Life. Wine isn't running them and none is devoting the time to make it work again.

fixed. You have no idea of what "dependency hell" is, Wine issues aren't package management clashes, but simple regressions and lack of people bisecting the code to point out what commit broke the game so the devs can go and fix it.

Btw, I have no experience with Halo, but I know that Halo 2 does require some haxxoring to work http://www.halo2vista.com/forums/vie...hp?f=49&t=3820

As for maintaining software you are correct, but... Let take Unity3D as an example. It's closed source. And because Ubuntu is used by most 'ordinary' or new Linux users only this platform is supported.

As I said everyone has acknowledged that, current-gen package managers weren't designed with closed-source applications in mind, which is why we have new-gen package managers on the way.

Not only for users but for devs. Flatpaks and things like that are some way to deal with it. Yet rather than working on one solution you hear about new ideas. There is wayland and Canonical works on its mir. On some thing companies should join their forces and work on one solution that would make the job done and not compete with each other. You can always start a new solution after you have one already working.

I'd like to note that it's Canonical that came up with all these "better than mainstream" solutions.
Everyone is working on Wayland, Canonical makes MIR. Everyone is using systemd, they would have still preferred to use Upstart (Debian mantainers decided for them, there), everyone migrated from bullshit versioning systems like CVS or SVN to much more powerful git, Canonical made bazaar, everyone is OK with or is helping with with flatpack, Canonical makes Snap and makes also outlandish claims that the next Ubuntu LTS will be using only Snap instead of .deb packages when Snap is still immature (like flatpack anyway).

So please let's not say the usual bullshit "linux community is always divided", it's not, this is just Canonical that likes to waste their own resources on re-inventing wheels instead of contributing to common projects because they have infinite money to burn coming from their puppet master MS, but that's a SINGLE offender to the golden rule.

[starshipeleven]

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[starshipeleven]

Can't agree with you on this one. What they do is more of a changing a theme and not UI. Windows still looks like windows. It doesn't look like macOS or Gnome3. So UI stays the same. A modified start isn't a big redesign.

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this person has not seen Windows 8, nor windows 10, also wasn't there when people were raging about having to migrate from XP to Win7.

[aht0]

that is bullshit. for example, i consider mesa, xorg and gnome pretty desktopy
bullshit again. they are changing ui with every release
they won pc market due to shady business practices and since then they are just leveraging their monopoly, which is simple. they won zero markets without monopoly since then. how does their fucking one ui and compatibility help them in smartphones? it doesn't, because it doesn't matter

Also replying to your earlier post about "Windows changing UI every release.."

Win95/98/98SE/NT3.5x/NT4/ME/2000 were literally identical barring different colorization and slight facelifts. XP had start button design made rounder and graphical. Vista/7 had start button made completely round. Principles of the UI logic have stood same for all that time. Change in that logic came only with Win8 and has now also stayed more or less the same since 8.1 and 10. UI logic would probably still be much the same and just natural evolution of the past if someone in MS did not think that trying for mobile market is bright idea and bringing designed-for-mobile-use UI on desktop would be even better.

MS was late comer in smartphone niche. Market has been long saturated, people have ingrown habits. Who's stuck with iPhones, who is using Android. Using some 3rd "new" UI/OS simply does not catch because it feels "not normal" for people who have already strong habits. Unless that 3rd is significantly better than old UI's, which MS smartphones are not. If MS made it's mobile debut about the time Nokia came to market with Symbian it would be different story (ignoring the fact that MS bought Nokia). MS software would be so much better that it would absolutely dominate the market even if Android and iPhone made appearance later. It's either all about good timing or being much better than competitors.

[DebianXFCE Jr]

fixed. You have no idea of what "dependency hell" is, Wine issues aren't package management clashes, but simple regressions and lack of people bisecting the code to point out what commit broke the game so the devs can go and fix it.

Btw, I have no experience with Halo, but I know that Halo 2 does require some haxxoring to work http://www.halo2vista.com/forums/vie...hp?f=49&t=3820

So please let's not say the usual bullshit "linux community is always divided", it's not, this is just Canonical that likes to waste their own resources on re-inventing wheels instead of contributing to common projects because they have infinite money to burn coming from their puppet master MS, but that's a SINGLE offender to the golden rule.

For your knowledge I know exactly what dependency hell is. That the first one. Also in another post I wrote 'bout windows 8 and it's epic fails caused by the UI change.

"So please let's not say the usual bullshit "linux community is always divided", it's not, this is just Canonical that likes to waste their own resources on re-inventing wheels instead of contributing to common projects because they have infinite money to burn coming from their puppet master MS, but that's a SINGLE offender to the golden rule."

You really believe that? Canonical doesn't have infinite resources. Back in the days you could request a cardboard box full of ubuntu cds and you would have it. Money matters. But with reinventing the wheel you're right. Community IS DIVIDES and the best proof of that is the number of distros. Even in Lord of the Rings you have one ring to rule them all. One distro, one UI a good PR and there is a chance that public will buy it if it make the job done.

Halo runs fine. No haxxoring needed. Ms wanted it to run on Vista and not on xp.

You just want to rant, don't ya? For the sake of it? -> unapproved post for