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  • #41
    Originally posted by Hamsterkill View Post
    It is, actually. Diversity is important in problem-solving professions as it's almost always beneficial to have more different perspectives on a problem. The homogenizing of the engineers who write software, for instance, leads to ignoring sections of users' needs -- not on purpose, but just because it didn't occur to them.
    I don't buy that. Just look at this forum or mailing lists etc. and you see what a lot of different perspectives brings you: Conflict. Colour-blindness is actually an interesting example since the kind of diversity most people focus on is on the basis of sex, perceptions of sex/gender, skin colour and economic background. Perspective doesn't factor into it.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by nils_ View Post
      Just look at this forum or mailing lists etc. and you see what a lot of different perspectives brings you: Conflict.
      Conflict happens because someone wants to win, that is: power struggles, not different perspective.

      Still common but an entirely different thing.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
        Their objective is irrelevant, the point is that it IS reducing opportunities for everyone else as it isn't increasing the amount of jobs available, just making sure that more women get these places.


        This might be true fpr things where the program is about jobs, but it doesn't apply to Outreachy as the participating projects are FOSS communities.
        None of those have limits on number of contributors.

        Just like Google Summer of Code, which is far more restrictive in who can apply.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
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          This might be true fpr things where the program is about jobs, but it doesn't apply to Outreachy as the participating projects are FOSS communities.
          None of those have limits on number of contributors.

          Just like Google Summer of Code, which is far more restrictive in who can apply.
          As said above, this is still something you put on a CV, and the FOSS communities might employ someone anyway.

          Google Summer of Code does not restrict those who can apply based on race or gender.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            As said above, this is still something you put on a CV, and the FOSS communities might employ someone anyway.
            A lot of people put their work on FOSS projects on their CV don't see why this would be a bad thing.
            And even if these communities have hired positions, the people particpating in GSoC or Outreachy do not compete on those.

            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            Google Summer of Code does not restrict those who can apply based on race or gender.
            It does on country and educational status. Far fewer people qualify for GSoC's criteria then for Outreachy's.
            Orders of magnitude fewer.

            Cheers,
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            • #46
              Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
              A lot of people put their work on FOSS projects on their CV don't see why this would be a bad thing.
              Because Outreachy program gives a bit more credit to the CV entry than just stating "I'm contributing to X Y and Z open projects", it is a paid internship, not just a free contribution.

              And even if these communities have hired positions, the people particpating in GSoC or Outreachy do not compete on those.
              You can't say for sure.

              It does on country and educational status.
              Which, while not perfect (money makes a difference here), is more an indication of merit than just sex, gender or ethnicity.

              Outreachy is USA-only so it has country limitations too.

              Far fewer people qualify for GSoC's criteria then for Outreachy's.
              Orders of magnitude fewer.
              Yeah, when the only criteria is "being woman" (just half the USA population or so), "being some kind of hand-picked USA minority", or being a LGBT person it's normal that you get more people that qualify.

              Point is, is this based on merit? No. This is basically racism and discrimination towards white males, and this is plain wrong. You can't fight discrimination with discrimination.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Because Outreachy program gives a bit more credit to the CV entry than just stating "I'm contributing to X Y and Z open projects", it is a paid internship, not just a free contribution.
                Not really. The internship is just three months or so, any contributor can build up a far longer committment record.

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                You can't say for sure.
                What would be the gain?
                Any such position would likely be for longer term than 3 months and would likely go to a well established contributor.

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Which, while not perfect (money makes a difference here), is more an indication of merit than just sex, gender or ethnicity.
                The merit is the same, as in both cases the many applicants compete for the chance and projects need to carefully select which ones to choose.
                In both cases applicants fullfil the same base criteria so selection happens based on what each organisation things will yield the best or most needed results.

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Outreachy is USA-only so it has country limitations too.
                No, this is definitely not true.

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Yeah, when the only criteria is "being woman" (just half the USA population or so), "being some kind of hand-picked USA minority", or being a LGBT person it's normal that you get more people that qualify.
                Yes, so far, far, far more open than for example GSoC.

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Point is, is this based on merit? No.
                Sure, the same way GSoC is, for example.
                How else would each organisation choose between the many applications they get?

                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                This is basically racism and discrimination towards white males, and this is plain wrong.
                So you are saying that GSoC is elitism and a discrimination towards teenagers, non-academics and graduates?

                Cheers,
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