Firefox 49 To Offer Linux Widevine Support, Firefox Also Working On WebP Support

[duby229]

I don't think profit is a necessary component. Jamie Thomas-Rasset and Joel Tenenbaum didn't make any profit, both simply shared some stuff. It makes a difference between civil or criminal offense, that's for sure.


Yes, but torrenting by the very design of it includes distribution, that's where the infringement happens.

I'm not so sure about that. In the end so many people torrent there is no possible way to enforce copywrite infringement on them. Governments may be able to enforce the worst cases, but that's exactly what tyranny is, selectively enforcing otherwise unenforceable law. The problem is not filesharing, the problem is copywrite law.

[Gusar]

But, here is where it gets goofy. Copywrite infringement in America means that you took someone's copyrighted material and used it in some fashion that made a profit.

I don't think profit is a necessary component. Jamie Thomas-Rasset and Joel Tenenbaum didn't make any profit, both simply shared some stuff. It makes a difference between civil or criminal offense, that's for sure.

Watching video's for your own personal entertainment is not infringement.

Yes, but torrenting by the very design of it includes distribution, that's where the infringement happens.

[Tomin]

Read the Mozilla bug thread that I posted above and that will give you the full picture of why it isn't a done deal. It's not as simple as "Use VDPAU!" or "Use dis here media playa!". Acceleration needs to work in the browser - external players are a mess, especially with forks - and the foundation just isn't there yet.

I've read it before and I read it again now, it's not news to me. I was trying to say that there is a single API that can be used for hardware video acceleration and that the situation is not (anymore) that we have many of them that all must be supported. Yes, I understand that it's not enough. I don't know enough of Windows' media APIs to know what they do better and why they can be supported better than Linux counterparts. There are other things mentioned in the bug report that are implemented in Windows but not on Linux and that are required for good support of hardware acceleration, but that doesn't explain why Linux is harder, it just tells that there hasn't been time to make the missing stuff for Linux.

I never meant to say that media players were similar to browsers. I just said that video playback itself works just fine, so that shouldn't be the problem. It must be elsewhere, again, AFAIK. I can be wrong. To me that discussion looks like the only thing we are really waiting for is FX's OpenGL compositor and after that it's already much easier to do video decoding hardware acceleration, because VA-API and VDPAU can render to OpenGL surfaces (textures or whatever it is rendering to).

Anyway, Mozilla folks, take your time. I can wait.

[duby229]

EDIT: Actually there is an older law called the Fair Use Act that specifically covers entertainment. It was written in a time before computers, so the terminology in the law requires some interpretation to make it work with modern concepts. But it is all there.

[duby229]

Damn the lack of edit button!

Ok, it seems peer-to-peer filesharing can fall under "willful copyright infringement" which can be constituted as a crime. But that hasn't happened in practice yet, it was always about civil penalties of $750-$150000 per copyrighted work.

But, here is where it gets goofy. Copywrite infringement in America means that you took someone's copyrighted material and used it in some fashion that made a profit. Watching video's for your own personal entertainment is not infringement.

[Gusar]

Damn the lack of edit button!

Ok, it seems peer-to-peer filesharing can fall under "willful copyright infringement" which can be constituted as a crime. But that hasn't happened in practice yet, it was always about civil penalties of $750-$150000 per copyrighted work.

[Gusar]

Hello? Making copies without consent of the owner is a blatant violation of fucking private property.

LOL!

I understand that being digital data it's harder to understand as it's not physical.

It's exactly because the "property" (the use of quotes is deliberate) is not physical that the rules are different.

But if they were books or physical disks (that are also copies of a master, but in a physical form) there would not be much to talk about.

Well yes, if we were talking about stealing, there wouldn't be much to talk about. But we're not talking about stealing, we're talking about copyright infringement.

In US it is, in EU it is, in most other civilized places on the planet it is, due to ACTA treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-C...rade_Agreement . Enforcement varies.

You do know that the EU rejected ACTA, don't you? It's right there in your link! "On 4 July 2012, the European Parliament declined its consent, effectively rejecting it, 478 votes to 39, with 165 abstentions."

Also, no, peer-to-peer filesharing is *not* criminal in the US, it's a matter of civil law.

[starshipeleven]

Tyrants will be overthrown every time. Unenforceable laws are exactly equal to no law at all. Tyranny always leads to anarchy. Every single time.

Says the man that genuinely thinks a bunch of US citizens with guns have any kind of chance to win against the US military (or even just federals's SWAT teams) in a revolt.

Sorry, history of mankind never worked like that. The only revolutions that worked out were those where money was put by rich people and got support from other rich people outside of the nation.
These conditions aren't happening any time soon.

[duby229]

Hello? Making copies without consent of the owner is a blatant violation of fucking private property. I understand that being digital data it's harder to understand as it's not physical.
But if they were books or physical disks (that are also copies of a master, but in a physical form) there would not be much to talk about.

In US it is, in EU it is, in most other civilized places on the planet it is, due to ACTA treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-C...rade_Agreement . Enforcement varies.

p2p is just a medium and it is allowed to exist because it is neutral to the content moving through it. It's like a physical street.

Tyrants will be overthrown every time. Unenforceable laws are exactly equal to no law at all. Tyranny always leads to anarchy. Every single time.

[starshipeleven]

It's not about convincing me. It's about you being *plain wrong* about what constitutes stealing. Copyright infringement does not constitute stealing.

Hello? Making copies without consent of the owner is a blatant violation of fucking private property. I understand that being digital data it's harder to understand as it's not physical.
But if they were books or physical disks (that are also copies of a master, but in a physical form) there would not be much to talk about.

Heck, it's not even a crime!

In US it is, in EU it is, in most other civilized places on the planet it is, due to ACTA treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-C...rade_Agreement . Enforcement varies.

but peer-to-peer filesharing is not one of those forms.

p2p is just a medium and it is allowed to exist because it is neutral to the content moving through it. It's like a physical street.