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  • #51
    Originally posted by Azpegath View Post

    I think this point of view is pretty scary. "I don't want to participate because people are extremly mean and can't express themselves in any other way than outright bashing, so I have to earn my seat there and be good enough to not get bashed."

    Why not have an inclusive mindset with positive feedback and constructive critique instead of being assholes? No other workplace would allow calling each other cunts, fucktards and idiots (at least not without it being a joke among a very small group of people who are in on it), why should it be a part of the Linux Kernel atmosphere?

    I understand that they can't treat every person that wants to participate as they had training wheels and teach them everything from scratch, but there must be something inbetween? A grown-up language when communicating and a fact-centric approach that is inclusive and helps new contributors, not one that scares them away.
    As others have pointed out the answer is Finnish philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_by_perkele , and for better or worse as long as Torvalds is in charge of Linux that's how things are going to be run. And due to certain bad design decisions and project management issues by the Linux kernel team, such as not having a pluggable userspace ABI, and upstream not having any testing besides "Does it compile and run on Torvald's system", it actually does need an opinionated asshole in charge in order to not have things break. The problem is that opinionated assholes end up stomping on the toes of more sensitive individuals, and getting into fights with, and blocking other highly opinionated assholes from moving forward over things they disagree on, regardless of whether the other highly opinionated asshole has a point. The better the code and project management, the less need for someone like Torvalds to insure that breaks don't occur.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post

      Even this is not so correct. Hitler was a copy cat of bolshevism. It means left.
      Hitler supported Capitalism/Corporatism, used public founds to prop up private enterprises, loosened gun regulation, strengthened religion in the public square, enforced radical nationalist thought and banned/destroyed modern art (what you right-wing fanatics call "Cultural Marxism" or "Degenerate art")

      He must be the worst "leftist" in the history of Liberalism...

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      • #53
        I am wondering why Matt Garrett took it so badly because Linus had problems with accepting implementation of BSD-style securelevel mechanism in Linux kernel ?
        https://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/secu...ml#idp60198608
        Even BSD people are critical of it.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Passso View Post

          A country with only 2 parties is one step close to a dictature
          That's just not true, the real truth is that a many party system doesn't work, you end up with tiny minorities in power. A two party system ensures that who ever is in power was elected by a large number of people.

          EDIT: OK, so some country have ethnic divisions, but the US is a nation of immigrants and there are too many ethnic groups to try and represent, That's not going to happen. So the only real solution is to represent everyone equally. Everyone has a choice which party they want to vote for, or for neither party. The point is that it doesn't matter if you're european, african, asian, or indonesian, everyone gets the chance to vote. Whatever ethnic group you belong to still gets represented.
          Last edited by duby229; 07 October 2015, 01:52 PM.

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          • #55
            I hope you guys realise that there are more than two parties in the US.

            It just so happens that the other parties are smaller fringe parties. I don't think anyone or anything is keeping them from ruling both houses or even having one of their own elected President. Apart from a broad support base, that is.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post
              I hope you guys realise that there are more than two parties in the US.

              It just so happens that the other parties are smaller fringe parties. I don't think anyone or anything is keeping them from ruling both houses or even having one of their own elected President. Apart from a broad support base, that is.
              You can say that, but they are repressed. In effect what we have is a a two party system. Just because other parties exist doesn't mean that they have a real chance to get represented on all or even most ballots. The only real possibility of getting represented is to choose one party or the other.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by duby229 View Post

                You can say that, but they are repressed. In effect what we have is a a two party system. Just because other parties exist doesn't mean that they have a real chance to get represented on all or even most ballots. The only real possibility of getting represented is to choose one party or the other.
                Yes. I do realise that. However, people make it sound overly dramatic.
                It's not like the Soviet Union, The People's Republic of China or North Korea.

                A lack of representation doesn't equal a forceful putdown.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post

                  Let's see:

                  "Achievements" of the left:

                  - Government Corruption
                  - More Poverty
                  - Crippling debt
                  - Violent crime
                  - The KKK
                  - The rise of ISIS
                  - AIDS epidemic
                  - NAMBLA
                  - Genocide
                  - Socialism
                  - Communism
                  - Drug dealers
                  - Racism and Hate
                  - Inequality
                  - Suffering and Death

                  Achievements of the right:

                  - Capitalism
                  - Prosperity
                  - Opportunity
                  - Industry
                  - Equality
                  - Medicine and Science
                  - Freed the slaves
                  - Defeated Hitler & the Nazi's
                  - Defeated Communism
                  - Defeated Saddam Hussain & Osama Bin Laden
                  - Personal responsibility
                  - Safety, Law enforcement

                  Yes. Leftism is the cancer.
                  There, I fixed it for you. You're welcome!
                  Last edited by torsionbar28; 07 October 2015, 05:44 PM.

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                  • #59
                    IIRC, Garrett said a year ago that he wouldn't send any patches to Intel... How is this surprising?

                    Regarding politics: you gotta love the completely skewed political definitions that US people spread... The nazis were leftists? The "democratic" party in the US is leftist? LOL
                    I wonder where do they learn this, random posts in reddit/4chan/stormfront? Are people so stupid as to believe everything they read in the internet?

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by torsionbar28 View Post
                      Achievements of the right:
                      - Prosperity
                      - Opportunity
                      - Equality
                      - Medicine and Science
                      - Freed the slaves
                      - Defeated Hitler & the Nazi's
                      - Defeated Communism
                      - Defeated Saddam Hussain & Osama Bin Laden
                      - Personal responsibility
                      - Safety
                      This is what US people believe, LOL! So funny...
                      Last edited by asdfblah; 07 October 2015, 08:15 PM.

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