Originally posted by W.Irrkopf
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Sarah Sharp Steps Down As Linux Kernel Developer
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by Pecisk View PostHigh quality posts here I see. And see, this is the problem - it seems man people have decided being rude and toxic is cool on Internet. "Calling things in right names", etc. nonsense. It is so easy to be just constructive and not to delve into shitty behavior. Yes, you can be negative about quality of code towards other person without going into sexist jokes or repeating tired memes. I have secret surprise to you - neither of those things has ever been funny. All they have to enforce feeling for you as sexual being, but such jokes are rather sad display if you need them.
Women just get things hidden and are always polished in front, socially perfect... but kick everyone in the back.
Frustration, anger etc. must get out, in a man's environment it will be loud, fast and fast forgotten, in a woman's environment it will be more subtile but hidden and in the long run.
- Likes 4
Comment
-
I have 3 grown daughters across 2 wives, so I can speak from a perspective that many here can't. One of my daughters recently said to me over lunch that she really appreciated having been able to grow up in a "drama free" home. She was commenting on her dislike of drama in her own workplace, which includes a lot of women. If one knows what a drama free lifestyle and a drama free workplace are like, the drama that some people seem to think is necessary is readily regarded for what it is - useless. Perhaps Ms. Sharp is merely saying the same thing - that the community could do without the drama, being useless as it is.
Comment
-
Originally posted by vwtch View PostWell, I'm a stay at home dad, but I won't take offense. I will say this, though, and it has nothing to do with Linux, or writing code; it is a lot more fun socializing with women than it is with men. A LOT more. And I don't mean hanky panky, either. Women are just a lot more fun to be around, for the most part. Some women aren't, but most are. When there are women in a group which includes men (i.e., not all women) the dynamics are better - healthier. They just are.
Comment
-
Originally posted by brent View Post
Oh come on. I almost completely disagree with Sarah Sharp's assessment of the Linux community. Still, it is perfectly fine to criticise Linus. I don't think Linus' hard-line management style is wrong, but in some cases he clearly stepped over the line. Curiously not in those cases when she got into discussions on the LKML, where she basically feels offended by a stupid nerd basement joke:
Thanks for link, that changes everything...
Funny, I tried to post that link on the comment in her blog, my comment has not be published while others were, and others were censorshipped with "fart"...
I love people crying around and they cant stand the consequencesLast edited by elect; 06 October 2015, 09:41 AM.
Comment
-
I fully understand her decision, and I totally support her sentiment.
And this has little to do with her being a woman. I'm a sensitive male and have avoided or left certain online communities for similar reasons. I grew tired of defending my person or others. This is not a problem only for women. Few affected men will admit it. The whole online community suffers from this.Last edited by Remdul; 06 October 2015, 10:44 AM.
- Likes 1
Comment
-
Originally posted by molecule-eye View PostPeople should know when a community as important as kernel development is a shitty place to work in for clear minorities like women.
Some people just can't deal with the way Linus runs things, and that's fine. Just as much as it's fine that Linus doesn't want to run it like a sterilized, PC, PG13 environment like we see in many large corporations. Why is it always one side that has to be "tolerant"?
- Likes 1
Comment
-
Originally posted by Pecisk View PostHigh quality posts here I see. And see, this is the problem - it seems man people have decided being rude and toxic is cool on Internet. "Calling things in right names", etc. nonsense. It is so easy to be just constructive and not to delve into shitty behavior. Yes, you can be negative about quality of code towards other person without going into sexist jokes or repeating tired memes. I have secret surprise to you - neither of those things has ever been funny. All they have to enforce feeling for you as sexual being, but such jokes are rather sad display if you need them.
So if Linus is talking like "you should have known by now, what the fuck have you been thinking" to a guy he knows for years, it might come out as a abuse to random people on the internet who read those conversations on public mailing lists.
And people would be amazed by the kind of banter that goes on in private mailing lists in big corporations, but since it's private, they will never know.
Anyways there is a nice LKML conversation from few years back where linus, sharp and others have this discussion and if people read trough it, sharp comes out as purist while others are literally trying to make jokes about her trying to fix them.
- Likes 1
Comment
-
Originally posted by vwtch View PostWell, I'm a stay at home dad, but I won't take offense. I will say this, though, and it has nothing to do with Linux, or writing code; it is a lot more fun socializing with women than it is with men. A LOT more. And I don't mean hanky panky, either. Women are just a lot more fun to be around, for the most part. Some women aren't, but most are. When there are women in a group which includes men (i.e., not all women) the dynamics are better - healthier. They just are.
Actually, it's a mixed bag that. Like some have said earlier...they have much uglier dynamics under the surface...and you're seeing the surface.
Comment
Comment