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    Phoronix: KDBUS Merging Prospects Get Debated

    The KDBUS in-fighting between upstream Linux kernel developers was once again reignited today after a kernel developer publicly asked Linus Torvalds on the prospects of merging KDBUS...

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      Originally posted by log0 View Post

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        One of the most irritating pattern of the systemd crowd is that for every of their intrusive and unportable changes, the first argument is always: performance reasons. As this has almost always be proven to be irrelevant or false like in this case, one wonders whether they are incompetent or dishonest.

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          Originally posted by timtas View Post
          One of the most irritating pattern of the systemd crowd is that for every of their intrusive and unportable changes, the first argument is always: performance reasons. As this has almost always be proven to be irrelevant or false like in this case, one wonders whether they are incompetent or dishonest.
          That is never their main argument and they're generally very clear of that. Its also the case of KDBUS where the benefits of sandboxing and potential security increase is made more obvious than performance.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by timtas View Post
            One of the most irritating pattern of the systemd crowd is that for every of their intrusive and unportable changes, the first argument is always: performance reasons. As this has almost always be proven to be irrelevant or false like in this case, one wonders whether they are incompetent or dishonest.

            One of the most irritating pattern of the anti-systemd crowd is that for every change, the first response is always criticism of some perceived pattern. As those patterns have almost always be proven to be a matter of opinion or non-existant like in this case, one wonders whether they are incompetent or dishonest.

            Systemd in general: often praised for its performance but its creator puts much more emphasis on naming other motives.
            requirement of cgroups (unportable): to track groups of processes, enforce resource-limits, etc. was performance ever mentioned as a reason?
            and so on... please name me at least 3 cases in which the main argument was performance, if you claim there is a pattern.

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            • #7
              Can you give an example of the systemd crowd giving performance reasons as an argument for anything other than KDBUS? Part of the anti-systemd mythology that keeps being repeated over and over is that the point of systemd was to reduce boot times; never mind that Poettering has endlessly explained that this is a side effect and not a reason. The anti-systemd crowd lost any credibility they had with me a long time ago by refusing to educate themselves, repeating stupid unsubstantiated comments they saw on the internet, and generally being allergic to facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by timtas View Post
                One of the most irritating pattern of the systemd crowd is that for every of their intrusive and unportable changes, the first argument is always: performance reasons. As this has almost always be proven to be irrelevant or false like in this case, one wonders whether they are incompetent or dishonest.
                Yeah, they are so incompetent that their dbus implementation outperform gdbus implementation in an embarrassing way, check it by yourself.

                Anyway I find it ridiculous that such a discussion is happened in an absence of a PR.
                So now the war is no more on the fact (an existing PR) but is moved on the intentions? LOL

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                  The second most irritating thing is of course the offensive and insulting manner by which they very often react to any criticism.

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                    Originally posted by timtas View Post
                    The second most irritating thing is of course the offensive and insulting manner by which they very often react to any criticism.
                    The second most irritating thing is of course the hypocritical and insincere manner by which they often react to any criticism of their arguments, claiming they have been insulted, while often being the first to throw around personal allegations.

                    Please point to anything that's offensive or insulting relative to the tone you set by calling the "systemd crowd" "incompetent or dishonest". You've just been called out for stating something, that other people (like me) consider BS. If you want to move the discussion forward, you can try to back your claim up with facts, by pointing out examples of the alleged "pattern" of justifieing intrusive and unportable changes with irrelevant or false performance-arguments.
                    Last edited by tinko; 23 June 2015, 01:59 PM.

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