Steam Linux Usage Drops Below 1%

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  • Citan
    Senior Member
    • May 2014
    • 215

    #61
    Originally posted by Azrael5 View Post
    Linux systems have several SEVERE problems:
    1. rigid dependencies;
    2. proprietary drivers limited to new hardware;
    3. weak mesa drivers;
    4. complexity;
    5. fragmented distributions;
    6. sectarianism;
    7. incommunicability (programmers have to interact with users);
    8. unreliability;
    9. slow progression.

    Nice troll, although they are some points to improve to make it more appealing...
    - proprietary drivers limited to new hardware: that's just so obviously wrong that you lose credibility on this: better to say "open drivers lacking support for recent hardware" which has a part of veracity.
    - complexity: if you don't develop the point, people will think you speak about GUI. And then you lose credibility, seeing as how GUIs from KDE or Gnome are easy enough to grasp.
    - fragmented distributions: if you don't develop, people won't see how you can see as a bad point and therefore cannot react. Missed trolling opportunity it is.
    - sectarianism: mixing a somewhat "personal" attack in midst of more "factual" claims just ruins the overall balance. You really should avoid.
    - incommunicability: please use correct vocabulary and develop. If people don't understand your troll they cannot react.
    - slow progression: nice attempt for an open troll, but this one is yet again too much open. We don't really understand your aim here.

    Note: My own ACPI system on PT880+hd3850 agp has still problem resuming from suspend because of pixelated video.


    Originally posted by Azrael5 View Post
    Gaming is not ready for linux, linux is not ready for gaming.

    Linux has to implement directX making playable directly games without any porting, has to light its systems, has to remove useless wrappers and useless graphical server has to become essential, reliable, efficient, and light as XP is. Linux should try a way to check specifications and use directly hardware by its own features in the softwares taking advantage from SSE2 and hardware acceleration.
    Bad troll. It started somewhat nice, until you lost all credibility and appearance of serious with this part: "has to become essential, reliable, efficient, and light as XP".
    Just remove "as XP" and your post gains a huge buff in "sincerity".

    Thanks for entertaining us though.
    You're welcome.

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    • Pecisk
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 215

      #62
      Originally posted by glxextxexlg View Post
      I don't understand why some people go crazy about expanding the user base of linux. Is it mandatory for a better life? Just let it be small as it is. As E. F. Schumacher says: small is beautiful. Will you go running on the street with joy naked if linux usage surpasses windows usage? Why is this greed, this grudge, this childish fantasy? Let linux be the OS of a priviledged few who like full control and playful cleverness using their computers and let puberty boys play their GTA whatever crap on windows.
      I think everyone is nervous because they feel it's like once upon a lifetime chance to get Linux desktop rolling. It might be true. But I think you got a point. It's stupid to be worried about all this all the time - just enjoy gaming on Linux! We have fun! Sales number are increasing! Valve seems to be supporting Linux at least for a year.

      I also agree that I don't expect Linux desktop/gaming to go mega big. I would like to have solid 5 - 8% base which would guarantee enough profit for devs to care about Linux.

      I also want to point out that we as community have some growing up to do - we seem to be pushing for more cautious and depressive POV as we expect this dream to end soon. So what? It might fail. But why wait for that then? Just to prove your point?

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      • johnc
        Official X.org Fanboy
        • May 2011
        • 2276

        #63
        Originally posted by mike4 View Post
        why don't you go playing with your Mac as I've said before.
        I don't even own a Mac. And I'm exclusively Ubuntu here. Does it surprise you that a Linux user can ascertain the situation honestly?

        The fact that the usage dipped a bit isn't the issue here. It's just that month after month this thing is going nowhere, and when you look at the dud of SteamOS and Steam Machines -- with an honest, frank perspective -- you begin to ask the obvious question: how long will developers continue to support this platform? Maybe they'll continue to do it for Unity games or whatever, but the possibility of getting the bigger titles is getting slimmer.

        Just look at the situation honestly, that's all I'm saying. We had a lot of excitement with Valve getting involved, but the deliverables just aren't there. There's nothing there.

        Heck, almost as many people play games on a beta version of Windows 10 than on all of Linux combined.

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        • Pecisk
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 215

          #64
          Originally posted by anarki2 View Post
          Haha, these comments on the Steam stats are always absurdly hilarious.

          Like you have a total lack of understanding of statistics and sampling. Like "but, but it never counts me in", yeah, well, guess what, there's 125 million other users, the ultimate faith of the world won't depend just on you. Yeah, it must have been a statistical error for the last 3 years, sure.

          "But, but, there's just this one bug that prevents people from using it", yeah, that's exactly the point, on Linux there's always "just this one bug", except when it's solved there's always "just this one other bug". You get nothing but promises about how the next release of the kernel, xorg, mesa, nvidia, pulseaudio or <insert random package name here> will change the world, but it always fails to deliver a stable desktop gaming experience until like 5 years later you eventually give up on waiting.
          Please stop talking in general terms. I have no issues with Linux gaming for more than year now. Things are heavily improved. There are issues to solve and there are people solving them instead of going "Linux is dead" comic routine on forums regularly.

          You are sooo desperate at explaining and finding excuses. As if anyone asked you to do so. Actually, you're only trying to explain this to yourselves. Get over your cognitive dissonance and move on. This situation is plain and simple, it has always been, you don't need to ideologize it.
          Why don't you move on? It seems you already have

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          • Pecisk
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2014
            • 215

            #65
            Originally posted by johnc View Post
            I don't even own a Mac. And I'm exclusively Ubuntu here. Does it surprise you that a Linux user can ascertain the situation honestly?

            The fact that the usage dipped a bit isn't the issue here. It's just that month after month this thing is going nowhere, and when you look at the dud of SteamOS and Steam Machines -- with an honest, frank perspective -- you begin to ask the obvious question: how long will developers continue to support this platform? Maybe they'll continue to do it for Unity games or whatever, but the possibility of getting the bigger titles is getting slimmer.

            Just look at the situation honestly, that's all I'm saying. We had a lot of excitement with Valve getting involved, but the deliverables just aren't there. There's nothing there.

            Heck, almost as many people play games on a beta version of Windows 10 than on all of Linux combined.
            Sure, if there's nothing there, then why you are still commenting on such articles? Or you just afraid to commit and afraid it will be taken one day, afraid to believe?

            You geeks are so predictable.

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            • johnc
              Official X.org Fanboy
              • May 2011
              • 2276

              #66
              Originally posted by Pecisk View Post
              Sure, if there's nothing there, then why you are still commenting on such articles? Or you just afraid to commit and afraid it will be taken one day, afraid to believe?

              You geeks are so predictable.
              Afraid to commit to what?

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              • Pecisk
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 215

                #67
                Originally posted by johnc View Post
                Afraid to commit to what?
                Afraid to believe there's something possible in form of SteamOS and Linux desktop overall. It's always this 'yeah, yeah, but Linux desktop isn't ready'. You know what, it has been ready for me and others for years! I play games on Linux! Lot of people do!

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                • madjr
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 583

                  #68
                  on april I was busy testing distros and upgrading machines, so not much time to play

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                  • Luke_Wolf
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 2790

                    #69
                    Originally posted by tomtomme View Post
                    Wrong.
                    ONLY random samples are representational / representative (don?t know the exact english word).
                    Thats statistics 101.

                    The reason for the drop is most probably just a rise of steam gamers on win and / or macos while linux remained the same in absolute numbers.
                    Um no. Only Random samples are representative IF you cannot poll the entire population. A survey over an entire populace is 100% representational and 100% correct*. Steam very obviously has the infrastructure to be able to handle surveying the entire populace as per SteamGuard. So what I don't understand is why they don't just use that capability to track the currently active steam installations during the month, as oppose to their crappy pseudo-random survey methodology. Frankly I remain completely unconvinced that the fluctuation in linux population surveyed is anything more than statistical noise.

                    *assuming honest answers, good questions and otherwise a perfect survey.

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                    • Passso
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 1120

                      #70
                      Originally posted by glxextxexlg View Post
                      Will you go running on the street with joy naked if linux usage surpasses windows usage?
                      Yes, I would.

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